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Buying first home - survey/damp issues

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Chris1989 · 27/02/2017 15:26

Hi I'm buying my first home with my fiancee and we've had our home buyer report results back today and I'm a bit concerned. The house is unoccupied and has been refurbished, and we were told previously that there was damp in the house and it had been treated. You can still patches on the walls however but we were assumed this was fine.

Anyway we had the survey report back today and it's raised a few issues, all regarding damp. See below extract of the report:

The walls are of solid, rendered, masonry construction. The front walls have been rebuilt and are of cavity construction with a rendered outer leaf. The inner leaf is believed to be blockwork. The walls are a mixture of pebble dash & smooth rendered. There are several air vents to ventilate the air space beneath the ground floor. Internally, the external walls have been plastered; whilst those in the kitchen and utility have been dry-lined with plasterboard with a final coat of plaster.

The front walls contain a plastic damp-proof course. We cannot confirm whether a damp-proof course is present on the rear walls because of the external render coating obscuring the construction. However, bearing in mind the age of the property, the walls are likely to have a chemical damp-proof course.

High damp meter readings were recorded internally throughout the ground floor. We believe these high reading are due to a combination of factors such as the absence of an effective damp-proof course, the failure of the existing damp-proof course and the external render bridging the dampproof course. It is evident that a damp and treatment has been undertaken and, if enforceable guarantees exist, the original treatment company should return and report. However, as this will take some time, you should ask a Property Care Association (www.property-care.org/) registered company surveyor to inspect the property for damp and report to you before exchange of contracts so that all costs of treatment are known before purchase. Any further inspection should include a check on the whole property. We refer you to the page in this report entitled 'What to do now'. This is a risk to the building and we refer you to our comments in Section J. Condition Rating 3. Further Investigation.

In addition to any damp treatment necessary, the sub-floor ventilation should be improved and all sub-floor areas should be exposed and inspected for further decay and we refer you to our comments later in this report.

And in section J this is stated in 'risks to the building'

E1: Chimney stacks - damp within stack/s;
E2: Roof coverings - defective fillets/flashings;
E3: Rainwater pipes and gutters - defective/leaking gutters;
E4: Main walls - damp present;
F1: Roof structure - damp penetration;
F4: Floors - damp present; inadequate under-floor ventilation

Can anybody maybe give a better idea of what the implication is of this? It's obviously very concerning but could some of it be the result of damp that has been 'resolved'?

OP posts:
OnceUponATimeInLondon · 03/03/2017 18:03

Arg! Sounds bloody irritating. Agree about the floors. Worth looking at.

dailydance · 05/03/2017 11:09

I didn't say it wasn't fixable.. I said it was expensive to rectify .. usually a money pit because it can take so long to sort out

bojorojo · 05/03/2017 12:10

Of course damp can be fixed, but it can be at a very big cost!

No surveryor will pull up carpets and dig down into foundations to see what the cause of the damp is. It could be leaking pipes and other expensive issues. My view would be to assess, realistically, the cost of putting this right. Not a builder, but through a detailed survey from an expert. If you do not know the cause of the problems, you cannot know how much remedial work will cost. The house owner may not allow this of course. If it has been "renovated" he will not want carpets pulled up. The vendor knows the price will be affected by what you find. You may also discover the cost of remedial work is beyond your budget and you have spent more money on a house you cannot buy.

I think the owner is somewhat dishonest too. Damp "treatments" are a waste of time usually becuase they look at a quick fix to the outward signs of damp but do not address the underlying issues. He has not addressed the underlying issues due to cost! I would be prepared to walk away unless the money stacks up and you are in a rising market. As it has already been "done up" I assume he is asking top dollar! The vendor seems to have bodged everything and fixed nothing, not even a leaking roof!

StillSmallVoice · 05/03/2017 14:42

We had something similar. The survey from the company which was in the Property Care Association (or whatever it is called) came around and said the problems would cost about five grand to fix, so we bought the house. When we got a second company (which had been recommended to us) they said more like twenty. It was at that point I found a surveyor who wasn't selling anything and by the time we had damp proof membranes and all the rest it was much, much more. If we'd had an inkling we'd have run a mile.

It was also a house where the problems weren't obvious, partly because it had been tarted up to sell.

Be very, very careful

Chris1989 · 07/03/2017 20:36

Thanks everyone 😊 So bit of an update here, the seller asked if we could get a free quote from a damp specialist for the house as he didn't quite trust the survey. They identified rising damp in the property (as the surveyor did), and they have quoted £2800 + VAT for the work. The seller has agreed to pay for the work himself AND supply us with a guarantee/certificate afterwards, on the condition that we have our solicitor write up a contract that promises/assures the seller that we will buy the property if the work is done and a certificate is provided.

I think it's great that he's offering to do the work, but the whole thing about the contract is ringing alarm bells to me. Surely he'd need to do the work to sell it anyway, so why does he need this contract? I'm also concerned that the contract would need to be 'water tight' (relevant phrase there!) to ensure if the specialists miss anything we're not obliged to go ahead with the purchase.

Any thoughts in this?

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wowfudge · 07/03/2017 20:43

Yes - a free damp survey from a company that sells damp proofing treatments. Rising damp is not common. The true course of the damp needs to be found. Ask for a reduction in the sale price instead. I wouldn't agree to his contract request.

mando12345 · 07/03/2017 20:49

Please walk away, this company could issue the guarantee but there could still be damp but you have to buy the property.
To me the red flag is that they have tried to get rid of the damp once, unsuccessfully, so it may be something that is difficult or expensive to get rid of.

Indaba · 07/03/2017 20:59

Your local council will have a recommended trusted trader section under Trading Standards. Get a couple round for independent advice. Please do not feel pressurised. You are in a stronger position than you think. We used Trading Standards recommended traders and they gave us excellent independent advice. The most professional ones tend to have qualified surveyors working for them so they have been through these issues before., They can provide you options/ideas. good luck!!!!!!!!

GU24Mum · 07/03/2017 21:05

What the seller is suggesting may be good for him - but I'd be very careful if I were you. If the work would definitely sort out the problem, you could arrange for the seller to do it to your satisfaction before completion and as a condition of completion but I'm sure your solicitor would advise you not to sign up to anything worse than that and only to that it everything else is definitely OK.

happyfam4 · 08/03/2017 10:06

The issue most houses will have damp, the key is identifying the damp.

I think a damp survey is a very good idea. Gather all the facts then decide!

Good luck

Sunnyshores · 08/03/2017 10:56

This solution (if indeed it works) is only addressing the rising damp - in the wall? You still need roofing works and the sub-floor work dont you?

Paulawoods · 08/03/2017 11:35

I had damp in a house once and it never went away:-( Ended up moving house as there was too much work that needed doing and I did not fancy spending any more cash on it.

TremoloGreen · 08/03/2017 19:52

What he is asking you to sign rings massive alarm bells for me, sorry. He seems desperate to sell. There is NO WAY putting that house right is only going to cost £2800, there is damp or potential causes of damp everywhere by the sound of it. Yes damp can be fixed but finding the cause and attempting different things can be costly. These free survey damp finder companies are ten a penny in many parts of the country and the certificate may not be worth the paper it's written on. Even if they guarantee the work they do, what if there are other causes of damp?

I really would walk away from this one (run actually) and consider the survey money well spent.

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