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Looking to buy a flat in an area similar to Belsize Park but cheaper. Thoughts?

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Edhie · 09/02/2015 11:56

Hello Mumsnet,

I have been lurking here for some time, and you always seem to have good advice regarding property search.

My partner and I are both expats; we are currently renting a flat in Belsize Park but after coming into some family money, we're ready to make a move on a place of our own. Unfortunately, Belsize Park prices are much higher than we can afford.

We are looking for a 2/3 bed flat (or small house), ideally 750+ square feet, and we could probably push our mortgage to 600 000 pounds at a stretch.

What we like about Belsize Park is:

  • the villagey feel (relaxed but still lively)
  • the poshness (let's not kid ourselves)
  • but not overly much of it (we briefly stayed in the Notting Hill Gate area close to Hyde Park and the amount of Aston Martins and Porsche parked in the street gave us the creeps.)

We are really keen on:

  • green spaces as close by as possible
  • a quick & easy commute to the City
  • we fancy period houses quite a bit

So far we have thought of Clapham/Wandsworth, Tufnell/Dartmouth Parks and Greenwich, but being foreigners, we don't know London nearly enough to think of other, less famous places.

That's where I'm hoping you might come in!

  • Are there other suitable areas we have completely overlooked?
  • In the areas we are already considering, are there some spots we should aim for or avoid?

Fire away.

Thank you in advance for your help!

E.

OP posts:
MonkeySeeMonkeyDooo · 11/02/2015 20:22

We went north to South and loved it.

grumbleina · 11/02/2015 20:29

Oi! I live in Tower Hamlets, it's well nice here! Though admittedly I wasn't going to try to talk the OP into giving it a chance...

Anyway, it is horses for courses and the disparity between what even long-term London residents consider 'nice' and 'not nice' always amazes me. And that's before you ever get to matters of taste ew yuck clapham.

Haircuts though. Talk to me about haircuts.

grumbleina · 11/02/2015 20:30

even, not ever.

MonkeySeeMonkeyDooo · 11/02/2015 20:39

I never said Tower Hamlets wasn't nice. But it could be a culture shock to some.

nannyj · 11/02/2015 20:48

I used to live in Belsize park and a friend lives in Tufnell park and they're very similar.

nannyj · 11/02/2015 20:54

Meant to say Dartmouth park. Sorry.

SunTree · 11/02/2015 21:01

No, not running. Not screaming. No need for shuddering.

Belsize Park architecture. Belsize Park stucco. Belsize Park width of streets. Just the simple fact that BP is built with more money in mind, than were many more suburban areas.

Larger windows. Railings instead of fences. More akin to South Ken than to East Dulwich.

Obvious differences.

Apologies for mentioning hair and ideas as an index of cultural differences between N & S london.

Having lived in Highgate, BP, muswell hill, crouch end, Finchley road, canonbury,Holloway Road, as well as Stockwell, streatham, CJ, Barnes, London Bridge and Forest hill, I have noticed some differences, but I may well have utterly imagined them, and homogeneity reigns considerably more than difference, when all is said and done.

Roofs, walls, people, amenities.

Sorry to have ruffled feathers.

I don't think Tufnell park is like BP at all. Stoke Newington has more of a villagey feel than TP.

grumbleina · 11/02/2015 21:13

Ha MonkeySee don't worry, I was joking - though also possibly a bit oversensitive to Tower Hamlets normal position as 'default dump of London'. I do agree with you that it would be quite the transition from Belsize Park!

SunTree · 11/02/2015 21:21

grumbelina, lol, just saw your haircut comment! Ive been in the salon business too long, is what it is, and we get too much gossip build up in our heads!

grumbleina · 11/02/2015 21:36

SunTree well I can attest that T.Hamlets is VERY much about the shaved sides/slick top for men at the mo. For the women, it's a mixture of students (fringes? maybe fringes are in) and women who cover their hair.

Now I'm thinking about it, you're actually right though. I was in Fulham the other day, and kept whispering to DH about how every woman in Fulham is dressed in the same outfit with minor variations on colour of uggs. And they were ALL blonde, with that thick stripey thing going on. At one point I saw an ombre and figured she was probably the black sheep of the family.

And WHY do all the men in west london have curly hair? WHY?

lisaloulou84 · 11/02/2015 21:36

Definitely come to East Dulwich and have a wander. I guess I live on the more Peckham side, whately rd, but it's lovely here. We've been here two years and have to move back up north in the summer so my 1 yr old can have a bedroom as unfortunately we've been totally out priced out of two beds in London Hmm I don't want to ever leave!

lulupeg · 13/02/2015 12:24

Gentrification of Peckham, even the Peckhammy bits: Foxtons are coming apparently.

www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1472020

cestlavielife · 13/02/2015 12:48

watch last nights location location location on SE london ...

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 13/02/2015 13:09

Blackheath/Lewisham borders for all af2000's reasons. No French schools that I know of but since your child would be bilingual presumably you could manage with a good private school feeding into a secondary that covers the Intl Bac. A bit early for that perhaps :-)
Plus you can connect to Eurostar at Ebsfleet which is 15 mins drive away or get out of london quickly for the ferry/Chunnel

Alternatively, I'd think a bit more radical on the village side of things and consider your options to go right out and use Crossrail or HS1 for work.

lostintoys · 13/02/2015 15:21

I'd stick with close to the area you know – Kentish Town, Dartmouth Park, Highgate. There's this for sale in Kentish Town at the moment www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-33416589.html.
It's very small I know, but it shows that there are properties in that area in your price bracket. I brought up my son in Kentish Town and it was fantastic – so many things to do, with the Heath and Primrose Hill on your doorstep (and lots of French people, and the French schools). Also, I could walk to work in Bloomsbury (or bus in 10 minutes if in a rush). Look at West Kentish Town, at the bottom of Haverstock Hill – it's cheaper, and it's ten minutes walk to Belsize Park.
South London would be a huge culture shock for you.

MonkeySeeMonkeyDooo · 13/02/2015 15:34

I'm getting a bit irritated by this South London being a culture shock bollocks. I used to live in Belsize park and moved to clapham junction and bloody loved it. Very easy to be a parent, but then it is called nappy valley for a reason.

suebearbu · 14/02/2015 13:39

Would strongly recommend Greenwich.

For 600k you could get either a very nice 2 bed period flat on the West side close to the station, park and world heritage centre. The centre is getting posher and posher and the shops are changing. We recently just got a very nice sushi chain (sushi and sticks).

Or, you could opt for East Greenwich which would get you a top range 2 bed period house. You could be close to the river (if you look at Caradoc, Bradyll st etc), 3min walk to the park and 10min walk to the centre and DLR stations.

East not as posh as west, but it is changing and a lot of ££ is being spent on the area in anticipation of the first inner London cruise terminal set to be developed by 2017.

Edhie · 14/02/2015 15:56

Oh wow, I was underwater with work for 2 days so could not visit the thread, but I'd like to say

  1. many thanks to all of you, for the great input! I went from no ideas for places to live to almost too many ideas in a couple days...

  2. there sure seems to be a heated debate going on as to what is nice and what is not!

I have to say, subtle cultural differences are rather lost on me, as a French person with a French haircut, and also a French definition of posh, which might differ from the British one in places.

So, fwiw, here's - in length - what I meant when I said I looked for something similar to BP:

Imo there are several parts to Belsize Park. The large, stucco-fronted houses are indeed reminiscent of Kensington. They are beautiful, but also quite monumental.
Then there is North Belsize Park going into Hampstead. That's definitely my kind of pretty: cute little houses alternating with large Georgian terraces, tree-lined streets and the proverbial Heath. It is also very, very posh (as posh as Kensington) and crazy expensive.
Lastly there are the funkier, more varied buildings from all over the beginning of the XXth century in the Southern bit.

There are also three separate villages. The Belsize Village proper is hidden away among the large white houses, I almost never go there. The village around the tube station, with the grocery store, the Budgens, the restaurants, the bookshop, I love. I also love the third one, going down south to Eton Road, with a great butcher, a very cool pub, and the best coffee for miles around.

And in between, long roads of quiet houses, but never so far from the bustle that you couldn't hear a car going by somewhere, or a drunk girl giggling on a Saturday night.

Since I started living in the area, I've crossed paths with affluent foreign bankers, young wannabe artists, council house kids, very angry old ladies, very friendly pub owners, and everyone's haircut looked rather different to me. That is part of what I love about being here.

The place IS posh and no mistake, but not as posh as when you come closer to the parks. It's definitely "nice", but the sort of nice that should be replicable elsewhere and at lower cost, in places where the proximity of the posher Hampstead and Primrose Hill areas would not be driving up the prices.

At first glance, I have found that to be the case in Greenwich, particularly around Blackheath. I've been around Dartmouth Park and Tufnell Park as well - they're great and we are considering them too, but I don't think they are more similar to BP than other places.

In the end, of course, nothing can be exactly the same as BP. I feel content enough here that I would stay if I could afford it. But I cannot afford it, so all that's left to me is find somewhere else where I would be equally content, and I have no doubt that place is among these great suggestions of yours!

Of course, my opinion might change if I do move South of the river - after one month, I might well come back crying about how much I miss BP. But right now, I have to say I'm feeling rather ready to explore, even if it means going over a literal bridge. I've crossed a Channel, how hard can a Thames be ;)

OP posts:
albertcampionscat · 14/02/2015 16:09

Stroud Green? Right next to Crouch End, but cheaper and with good transport links to City.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 17/02/2015 17:27

£600k gives you lots of choice in SE10/SE3

This maisonette in the naicest part of Greenwich with a garden and good state schools.

Period 3 bed maisonette in pretty central Blackheath with a Lewisham postcode. Stairs could be tedious with a baby and pram though.

Pokey by comparison but lift and underground parking. Right in centre of Blackheath

Not quite what you were looking for in terms of chic villagey location but Greenwich is about 10 mins door to door if you jump across the river on the DLR or foot tunnel. Fab apartment and great facilities on site with direct river views.

Under budget, share of freehold which is great for a flat, beautiful building and fab quiet location 10 mins walk from central Blackheath but v close to two private prep schools.

There's a bizzillion new build flats in Greenwich right now also

pashmina696 · 17/02/2015 22:31

You would definitely get your square footage in a period property in tufnell park - i lived there for a few years and loved it.

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