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Moving back from Canada to London/south with twins but where?

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sariska7 · 09/11/2014 20:11

Hi all - We are an English-French couple who have been been living in Canada for the past 6 years and will be moving back to the London/S.E. in summer 2015. We'd really appreciate any suggestions you can give on where might be a good place for us to look at further. We are a bit lost as we are now happy parents of 4 year old twins and so thinking more about the suburbs/further out versus our previous two bedroom inner city flat. Basically our criteria are:

  • we really want a house, our budget = £550k
  • 3 beds essential ideally 4 as one of us works at home
  • or with a large garage (for serious DIY)
  • we will need state primary school places for our girls
  • we must have a good commute into London Bridge and/or Waterloo
  • within 30-45 mins of Warlingham near Croydon

We have been thinking of Bromley for the new bilingual primary school that has just opened there. Any other ideas?
thank you

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Norfolkandchance1234 · 17/11/2014 18:15

Streatham is just down the road from Bromley if she lived there she would probably know about all the neighbouring areas incl Bromley and everywhere in between and what each one is pretty much like. And what I'm saying is that each of the areas haven't changed an awful lot. Maybe she doesn't who knows. I'm not going into any more detail than that.

LBOCS · 17/11/2014 19:14

Greenvale's catchment is only 0.4 of a mile though, so you'd have to be very careful where you moved to! We live just down from the high St and aren't within it. The other problem with Selsdon is that there's no station, so whatever public transport you do, it involves a bus ride first.

Bunbaker · 17/11/2014 19:27

Yes you're right LBOCS. When we went to London my sister drove to Sanderstead because the parking is better there than at South or East Croydon.

You must live near my sister. She isn't far from the high school.

LBOCS · 18/11/2014 10:33

No, we're not far. I can see Aldi from my house (lovely view!).

splendiferous · 18/11/2014 12:17

Hi Norfolk, Just to clarify where I'm coming from too - I agree that there are pockets of the borough and surrounds probably best avoided and that prices have been rising. I still think however that it's possible to find a decent 3 bed house in a good area, near to good schools, with a nice mix of people, for the OP's budget and I guess I interpreted your comments to suggest otherwise. Will get back in my box now Smile.

Norfolkandchance1234 · 19/11/2014 17:47

Splendiferous - yes I totally agree with you. Your chosen area is particularly nice actually and a great place to live.

splendiferous · 20/11/2014 19:17

Yes, we sort of stumbled upon it really but are happy we did Grin.

sariska7 · 24/11/2014 02:12

Hi all - I am overwhelmed by your generosity in responding. Thank you. This is all a great help to us and making a rather stressful move back seem that bit more bearable. We left as just the two of us, with two jobs in central London and a lovely two bed rented apartment in Stamford Brook/Chiswick way. We now go back with 4 year old twins who need to go to a (non-religious) school, the need to find two jobs, property prices having gone sky high since we left and needing to be within a reasonable distance of my two elderly parents in Warlingham. Now, you can see why I need your help.

Our basic plan is to rent on our return and then buy a house as soon as we can.
All of your posts are great and have really made it clear that the Warlingham/Caterham etc area is a definite possibility for us to check out more when we go over for a reccy in March ( pre arriving back for good in June). This is in addition to Bromley as we are interested in that new bilingual primary school for.
Two other questions, just on the off chance that someone reading this can help:

  • does anyone know if the Worcester Park/New Malden/Sutton area is worth looking at too for a house at $0.5m? these are areas I don't know at all and whist the property websites do help, they always give such a rosy view that everywhere looks great and actually they forget to tell you that there is train line running a few yards from your back door etc
  • as someone pointed out, when we arrive back our twins will be 4 years old ie time to go to school but we won't,of course, have applied in Jan 2015. Does this basically mean that when we arrive the council has to give them a place at whatever school has spare ones ? Does this, by definition, mean the schools that are less popular/not so great? If so, then it seems to be me that our options are

(a) go with this and potentially end up with the girls in two different not-so-fab schools. Tricky on numerous levels but also not keen to split up the girls as they will be totally disturbed anyhow by this transatlantic move and also currently their first language is French so it will take them a while to adapt to being in an English only environment (although that is all I ever speak to them!)

(b) go private BUT this is not a great option as we won't be able to afford it or

(c) they miss a year and go to school a year late ie aged 5 = not so bad in principle but tricky in practice as then we'd have to pay for a year's daycare fees which may not work out too well either. Ummmm.

Hoping that someone can help unravel a few more of these knots..........thanks in advance. Should I be putting this on school thread?

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splendiferous · 25/11/2014 20:05

Hi, gosh it does sound like you've a lot to think about there! Must be very stressful. I'm sure it will all fall into place eventually :).

Re schools... Whether or not your twins can defer a year will probably depend on when their birthdays fall. Personally i wouldn't be keen on that idea for several reasons including those you mention. I also wouldn't want to be paying for private if you can't really afford it - it's a huge commitment.

I would suggest calling the primary admissions team of your chosen borough (once you know which this is!) as only they can confirm the best approach in your situation. They are the ones who control how places are allocated.

Yes, it is really a case of where there is a space, but this doesn't necessarily mean it will be a bad school. Most schools are fully subscribed these days, even those which aren't everyone's first choice, so it's unusual for there to be many places remaining after offer day. Any that are left will usually be needed by someone who hasn't been offered a place anywhere anyway.

In general, the fair access policy is something along the lines of they must offer a place within 2 miles / 45 mins travel - so they can by law effectively offer pretty much anything in the borough. I think they do genuinely try their best to match people with their closest schools and keep twins together wherever possible though. I have even heard of extra place being created for a second twin. Some councils (Bromley is one) won't process applications though until you are resident at your stated address and paying council tax and they have the evidence. They also usually have a time limit on finding you a place but this is measured in school days (term time) so you should apply as soon as you're able to stand the best chance of having a place at start of sep term.

When you move into a borough in-year you are usually added to a waiting list but given priority over others who already have a place somewhere regardless of distance. I believe same applies for reception applications after the deadline. You should check with the admissions team though.

If you are offered a place you should accept it regardless of what you think of the school as you can still opt to remain on waiting lists. Just be aware however (to set realistic expectations), that depending on various factors, including the number of people moving into the area, it may take years to be offered a place and it may never materialise.

On a more positive note however, Places may become available at any school, excellent ones included. As you are back in June this may work in your favour as you will have a couple of months over the summer where places may become available at your preferred schools. There is always a bit of a shakeout period over summer / start of term in reception too where people decline places for various reasons (house move, opting for private, taking up place elsewhere etc) and these places are offered to the next on the waiting list.

I guess the more decent schools there are around your chosen area then the greater chance you have of being happy with what you're offered, but unfortunately there's just no way of knowing what you will be offered until they actually offer you a place. Most primaries around Bromley are fine and I'm sure this is the case in surrey too. Try not to worry too much - and remember ofsted outstanding isn't the be all and end all where schools are concerned. Unless a school is rated unsatisfactory it should be doing most things right, although they do all have a different feel etc. Maybe you could try and visit a few schools to give you a feel for them. You can get all the govt stats and ofsted data online. The council website should also have a starting primary booklet which will tell you about all the schools and admissions. I'm sure you know all this but just in case! Once you have an address the council will be able to tell you where you are on the waiting list for particular school if you're hoping for specific ones.

It never does any harm to ensure you're happy with your closest school options (in terms of proximity as well as quality), but as you will have little control over the places available I wouldn't worry about being on the doorstep of specific ones - your house will cost you more and you may end up being disappointed. The area and commute are equally important too IMO.

Sorry that ended up bring quite long! Hope it helps.

splendiferous · 25/11/2014 20:15

Sorry just read what I posted - meant to say 'no control' not 'little control' over places available. Not sure what I was thinking there!!

Briony32 · 25/11/2014 21:07

Perhaps consider Kington upon Thames, Surbiton, East/West Molesey. You should get something for that budget particularly in West Molesey/ Molesey borders. Good for access to Croydon, great family areas, mainly good/excellent schools, open spaces, rivers, leafiness.
You can still apply after the mid January application deadline, and there is often a lot of movement once places have been offered as parents opt for private instead or move out of area etc. Just make sure you are on all the waiting lists (held by the schools, not the LEA in North Surrey) and keep checking where you are (weekly!).

Briony32 · 25/11/2014 21:13

and all have train line to Waterloo (Hampton Court station for Molesey). Hersham might be worth a look at too.

sariska7 · 29/11/2014 19:27

Thank you splendiferous and Briony 32. I have been in touch with Bromley Council this week and it is all as you said. So hard to predict but it looks like it will ultimately work our. I am now checking out the Kingston etc areas that you suggest........thanks for the tip!

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