Do you think this lounge layout is best - installing a new radiator so want to get it right

[LilMissSunshine9]

I have really struggled alot with room layout in my living room mostly because whilst it looks roomy when you try to put furniture in you realise they don't quite fit in the available space. I think I have got it right but would appreciate any feedback - especially since I need to get a radiator installed, it has been done right to avoid costly mistake.

On the plan the red box is where I am planning to put the new radiator and the blue is the hallway radiator.

I haven't bought a dining table yet but I have measured it out so it will fit in the space (planning on getting a white table)

I include two images - one shows where the sofa is at the moment (against the back wall). The width of the sofa is the same width as the wall I plan to put the radiator on.

Because my pipes are buried in concrete and the room upstairs has laminate flooring down the plumber has suggested the most cost effective installation is putting a join in the pipe of the radiator in the hallway and taking the pipes through the garage.

This is the radiator I have decided upon (vertical because of the wall it is going on is not suitable for a horizontal one)

www.amazon.co.uk/Vertical-Column-Radiator-Double-Luxury/dp/B00E3SAVWC/ref=sr_1_2?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1412796318&sr=1-2&keywords=white+vertical+radiators+double+oval

What else do I need to buy that a plumber will not provide? a radiator valve?

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On your plan, it looks like anyone sitting in the armchairs won't be able to see the TV. Is that ok?

Nice radiator!
I think I'd put it nearer the window (possibly where the vase is now) - it won't heat the room properly if it's in that corner. It will be harder with the pipes, though.

Sorry but I think you really need to re-work the furniture plan. The placement of the radiator seems logical but the placement of the furniture is most odd, to my mind.

I think it'd make more sense to have the dining area in the smaller part of the room and the sitting room area in the larger part of the room, which would allow you to enjoy the garden too. I'd put the TV across the corner between the kitchen door and patio doors.

Are you only moving the radiator, and changing furniture, or are other changes up for grabs?

It is very hard to see why the entrance hall is so huge compared to the living space...

I agree that the current proposal means the rad is unlikely to heat the room, and also the chairs, one you won't be able to get to...

I have vertical radiators in the bathroom, 2 of them, and they aren't as efficient at heating a room as horizontals, probably cos some of the heat gets kicked out nearer the ceiling...

I thought that about the entrance hall. You could actually have a dining table in there!

I would put the dining area where the armchairs are and the radiator somewhere else (wall adjoining the garage?). Any chance of changing the layout and using some of the hall or the garage as living/dining space?

It looks like the only route through to the kitchen goes in between the TV and the sofa? Is that right. I suppose it depends how many people live there whether its a problem or not.

Good luck with it!

I agree with everyone else about swapping the dining area with the lounge area. Most people sit on their sofas far more than sitting around the dining table and it makes sense to give the lounge more space.

I would get a round table.

As for the radiator that position doesn't look ideal. It's a bit tucked out of the way, which is nice from an aesthetics point of view, but not so great for actually heating the space.

I've looked around lots and lots of showhomes over the years (it's a sort of hobby and makes me love my own house more) and in a room like yours the table is usually tucked away in the smaller space.

you seem to have very few radiators.

Positioning the new one in the far corner will not warm the room well. I understand that narrow, tall radiators are currently fashionable, but they are especially good at warming the ceiling. Wide, low rads will be better at providing an even heat through the room. The end wall with glass will be coldest.

See if you can bring yourself to look at wide, low radiators on the long wall. If so, they do not need to be free of furniture, because there will be plenty of rad exposed. A wide radiator heats the room more evenly. A low radiator is out of vision. Pressed steel radiators can be painted with satinwood to blend into the walls. 450mm height is widely available, but you may be able to find 300mm height, or even skirting radiators (which are rather expensive).

As you have a concrete ground floor, you may consider running pipes down from the ceiling, where the first-floor circuit is.

Its just me in my own a home I can grow into. I did thik about dining room in hallway but as I walk through the hallway alot going up and down it would annoy me having it there.

My immediate thougt was to put a horizontal radiator on the wall where tv is because on the other side in the kitchen is a radiator so again itll be easy regarding pipework. I moved my sofa as suggested so tv ib the corner by patio doors and dining table in the cubby hole area as I call it but ehat put me off is that when you walk into the room its feel even more smaller as the firs thung you see is the entire back of a three seater sofa and when you are sitting at the sofa you feel too close to the patio doors iyswim. Also I feel lije it creates a corridor effect in the room where the furniture is all to the left of the room.

Thr armchairs I havent brought yet they are just for extra seating but yes you will be able to see the tv.

Maybe its just because I am used to walking into the lounge and it feels really open.

Maybe ill grt a horizontal radiator on tge back wall ti the garage as a compromise what do you think pigletjihn or would the wall joining the kitchen be better?

Oh man I cannot decide I flip flop between everyones suggestiin and the one I attached for months. And it makes it more important because I need to get the radiator installed right so I dont end up paying to move it

Sorry for typos I was on a train

Here r some more pictures if it helps. The electric fireplace will be gone it is there from wheb I took it off the wall on the otherside. Yes I know the tv is small but hopefully once the lounge is sorted ill be avle to get a bigger one

In your drawing, I would prefer a long low radiator (or two) along the long wall behind the sofa. The two coldest areas will be the wall against the garage, and the end where the glass doors are.

So I would prefer a long low radiator along the garage end wall, and one at the glass door end of the sofa wall. Both as long as you can.

If you bring a pair of pipes down from upstairs, they are not obtrusive in the corner. It is much easier to take up the floors before you have fitted carpet or laminate. The pipes can be painted (satinwood not emulsion) to match the wall and possibly you could widen the curtain track to hide them (especially if the curtains gather to the left and not from the centre). Look for a pullcord set.

It is better to have over-large radiators (with TRVs) than ones that are too small and leave the room cold. TRVs will prevent the room getting too hot. Without having done a calculation, I'd think of about 3kW of radiators for that room.

This one, for example, has a nominal output of about 1kW, and is 300mm (a foot) high x 2metres long. Most common rads are about twice as high.

in this picture, what are those two things sticking out of the floor and resembling radiator pipes?

oh they are the old radiator pipes lol I didn't realise the floor was concrete until they did the patio doors. I will get them cut down and buried

unfortunately the room upstairs was already laminated by previous owners which adds more cost and work.

I take it the wall by the kitchen is not appropriate then?

I was advised by a few that I need get a double panel radiator of 2.2kw.

Could you get the internal walls that create that little carve out bit in the living room moved, so that the hall is a bit smaller but the main room is a 'true' shape?

I think this would solve a lot of problems

try this

and add a bit on, because it is based on a typical winter's day rather than a really cold one; and because the way radiator outputs are calculated overstates their power. Lots of people who have radiator sizes calculated by the builder grumble that the room is too cold.

OK, here's what I would do. See picture

Not buy arm chairs, and buy a corner sofa instead. Plus a console table, like an Ikea Kallax thing for behind the sofa - it's the black box in my picture. Then put the tv on the garage wall. Maybe on a matching Ikea unit - loads of storage.

Plus hang the door to the hall on the other side so you walk straight in and can sit down on the sofa.

Then put the radiator on the wall to the kitchen, or by the patio doors.

www.lefablier.com/collection/accessori/tags/back-sofa-table.html

The ikea thing would look like this against the back of the sofa, facing the dining table.

pigletjohn - its comes out saying I need 5643 btu.

I think I have decided to go with the radiator on the internal wall to kitchen and go for this one

www.amazon.co.uk/Horizontal-Column-Radiator-White-Original/dp/B00E3SB8CO/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1412886406&sr=8-14&keywords=white+double+radiator+oval

its 9000btu so will be more than enough

PrimaLass - thanks for taking the time to redraw lol I never thought about rehanging the door that is a great idea so will do that at some point if I can't afford to do it straight away (no idea how much it will cost)

I might do as others suggested and table at the back (reverse of your set-up). I love the idea of the kallax I hadn't thought about that and will really help to hide the blandess of the sofa.

Whilst I like your design I would prefer to face the garden :)

Apparently a house a few doors down has a patio door so I am going to knock on their door and see if I can go in and see what they have done

www.pinterest.com/pin/11962755235965770/

Table at the back would irritate me as it's not right beside the kitchen. But I'm odd like that.

Looking out into the garden is lovely though.