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The ridiculous, ridiculous price of property

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Snakesandpropertyladders · 04/10/2014 22:50

This is really just a rant/moan/ whinge about how ridiculous house prices have got.
We are looking for a standard 3 bedroom house where the 3rd bedroom is actually a box room that would only just about fit a single bed. So nothing fancy. We have a pretty good budget but it is just not going to be nearly enough as house prices have risen so much recently.
We viewed 2 houses today. Both had pretty small rooms and needed quite a bit of work. The first was priced at 450k. It needed a new kitchen and complete redecoration. The second house was priced at 425k. This one was identical to the first but needed new kitchen, bathroom, complete redecoration throughout. It was a major project, though not being sold as one. If we bought the house we wouldn't be able to afford to do the work for years and years if at all. How on earth can these sorts of prices be justified!?
For that sort of money we'd expect a house that we can move into and that's it. It's a pretty high budget yet all that is coming onto the market are dilapidated houses or houses in dodgy unsafe areas. Even houses in not particularly savoury areas are edging closer to 500k.
We have even looked at moving further out from where we are, but the cost of commuting then becomes prohibitive. Both of our jobs only exist in London so we have to be within commutable distance. A 30 minute commute from Essex will cost us around £800 a month in train fares!
I'm despairing of us ever being able to leave our flat and buy a house of our own. Rents are pretty crazy too at the moment so even that isn't a great option.

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Mumzy · 08/10/2014 22:40

When I graduated 20 years ago and started working in the NHS in London most of the people With families I worked with lived in at least a 3 bed house. The majority were on modest salaries and it was definitely doable then. Today most live a lengthy commute away as local homes are so unaffordable and my old colleagues are now selling their old 3beds houses in Balham for £800k+

QuintessentiallyQS · 08/10/2014 22:41

It is crazy.

Here, a 2 bed cottage for a million pounds. 77 m2 bed cottage

a stones throw away a 4 bed for 1.2 million 4 bed 150 m2

Granted the neighbourhood is very nice, and with outstanding schools, but congested, and noisy nevertheless.

There are more expensive areas, but the 2 bed is just a proof that it has gone insane.

Mumzy · 08/10/2014 22:48

The 2 bed cottage is hilarious can't believe they didn't even tidy the place up for a million quid

AgaPanthers · 08/10/2014 23:21

How about this very convincing impression of a council house, for £1.15 million - www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-47017508.html

Just a living room, small bedroom and tiny kitchen - although you do get a garage.

Likewise council house looklylike, at £2.3 million - www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-45239551.html

There is so much shiny shit in this thing for £2.65 million to disguise the fact you are basically living above a curry house

www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/34111573

MrsSchadenfreude · 08/10/2014 23:32

A colleague of mine bought a 3 bed flat in Brixton in August as an investment, put it on the market immediately and has just sold it, making a profit of £100K.

AgaPanthers · 08/10/2014 23:33

That sounds more like speculating than investing.

Want2bSupermum · 09/10/2014 00:31

I have friends who bought a small flat in Wandsworth. He is an actuary and she is an accountant. They had one child and wanted a second. The reason they changed their minds was a second child would financially kill them and to move further out would result in a nanny raising their two children. Reluctantly they will not be having more children.

I now live abroad and I am sitting in the house we closed on last week. It is a 5 bed 4 bath home with small back yard. I am a 25min commute to my job and clients with one client at the WTC being a 10min commute. Cost of this home was $1.2m(approx GBP730k) with taxes of $14k (approx GBP9k) a year. The home is 2350 sqft and was last updated 15 years ago. Everything 'works' so we can update on our own timeline. We are renting the top half and living over the bottom two floors. DH earns a lot but our goal is to be mortgage free in 10 years so our budget is tight. Our home transplanted from the NY Metro area to London would be at least GBP 2-3 million. Absolutly nuts if you ask me.

CrimeaRiver · 09/10/2014 01:39

£2.65m to live on - sorry, off Brick Lane!!

The Hugenots would be turning in their graves.

The problem with "hot"spots like this is that there are too many people with money who believe their own hype. It's ridiculous. 2.65m to live above or behind a curry house. What are people thinking???

MrsMarcJacobs · 09/10/2014 03:16

I don't think houses are affordable anywhere to be honest.

Openup41 · 09/10/2014 07:46

Portlypenguin We are in the same position as you. We need more space. The large loft and shed are our saving grace. That and ensuring the house is clutter free.

We would need another £150k in order to upsize to a 3 double bed house with 2 reception rooms/4 bed house. It is a mighty leap.

To make matters worse we have made barely any equity on our home due to living in Kent commuter land as oppose to London. I could cry :-(

Ihatemytoes · 09/10/2014 08:27

West Wickham www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-47265275.html

Ihatemytoes · 09/10/2014 08:29

Bromley South www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-45996055.html

Ihatemytoes · 09/10/2014 08:31

Lots of houses on rightmove within your budget OP.

QuintessentiallyQS · 09/10/2014 08:33

That Bromley property is interesting. Seems they have turned upstairs bathroom into a 3rd bedroom and extended the kitchen with a bathroom, rather than going into the loft. These are lovely cottages. I have a friend local to there. I Like the area.

Patrickstarisabadbellend · 09/10/2014 08:34

House prices are ridicoulous. They need to go down, not up.

Chachah · 09/10/2014 09:00

friends of ours bought a house two years ago, and were happily telling us the other day that its price has already risen by £50k...

great for them, very depressing for me.

house prices rising is basically rewarding those who already have assets, and punishing those who don't and making it harder for them to catch up.

I don't believe any political action will ever be taken, because politicians know which side their bread is buttered, and no party will risk upsetting the property-owning middle- and upper-classes.

LilyBolero · 09/10/2014 09:01

I haven't read the whole thread, but agree house prices are insane.

We live in the south west. Bought our 4 bed semi for 191k in 1999. It's now worth 650k. We wouldn't get close to buying it now, would be WAY more than we could afford.

However, apart from having a house to live in, the rise in prices doesn't help us, because we can't afford to move, if we wanted to - in 1999 we paid about £1900 in stamp duty. To buy this house today, the purchaser would have to pay £24,000 in stamp duty alone, which is just bonkers. And obviously we would be stung for similar on whatever we bought.

So we are staying put! The market frankly is broken, because you have so many different types of people buying - normal families are competing with developers, landlords, investors and of course in London the oligarchs!

DavidDann · 09/10/2014 09:27

prices will always go up so you better just buy something before its too late. We just brought our 5th last month, just rent them out and they pay for themselves. It isn't rocket science.

dirtyprettything · 09/10/2014 09:43

Berkshire is commutable to Reading although train fares are very high

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-31161927.html

North of Slough, but actually a very nice area

Or:
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-31578651.html?premiumA=true

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-31562019.html?premiumA=true

in Reading

QuintessentiallyQS · 09/10/2014 09:50

Rising house-prices are not great for anyone, like LilyBolero says.

We bought for 225 in 1999, and our house is now valued at 750. It is meaningless, as we could not buy anywhere else, unless we moved far out of London. Or back to Norway. (In which case we would be laughing!) We cant get a bigger mortgage.

The house I have been looking at is £1.4 million. Houses on that road have more than doubled in the last 7/8 years.

But it is all hypothetical. We are very happy in our little 3 bed cottage, and love our neighbourhood. It is just amazing to see how utterly bananas house prices have gotten around here. There is a house similar in size to ours, on a busy road, only slightly more modern, on the market for £1.1 million. I cant imagine they will get that much. There are so many chancers out there pushing the prices up. Another very nice double fronted 4 bed is on for 800, which is more in line with the market than the 1.1 mill. But again, it is surreal. Fgs, ex council tiny homes, between 80 and 100 m2. Hmm

Takver · 09/10/2014 09:53

OP, I agree with you so much, it is just ridiculous. I left uni and got a reasonable but not starry graduate job on £15K a year, DH earning about the same. We bought our first house in 5 yrs later in 1996 for £69K (not London, but SE).

The same house now would go for around £250K+, so nearly 4 times as much and I am sure as anything that new graduates aren't starting work on £45 - £50 thousand . . .

And moving to Wales won't help, young people here can't afford to buy because of all the City types with second homes pushing prices up!

QuintessentiallyQS · 09/10/2014 09:56

It may not be rocket science David, but it does require capital for a deposit, even with BTL.

I was looking into one a few years ago, it was on the market for 599, 2 bed cottage with loft extension making it a 3 bed. The rent required by the bank was beyond expected marked rent for the area, we'd need to invest a 50% deposit to make it pay out and be feasible. We did not have a 300k deposit. BTL does therefore not work very well in areas where the property prices is unusually inflated, and where the cost of mortgage repayments and rent wont work together, unless you are a big investor with capital to use.

Snakesandpropertyladders · 09/10/2014 10:04

There are houses within our budget, just very few that we would actually want to buy for that sort of money.

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merrymouse · 09/10/2014 10:14

It's all very well buying a cheap house not suitable for your needs so you can rent it out.

The problem comes when that was a council house that was suitable for somebody's needs that is now only available on a short term tenancy.

merrymouse · 09/10/2014 10:15

Also, while house prices can go down as well as up, interest rates can really only go up.

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