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Please help me find a front door(s)

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Viperidae · 10/08/2014 19:15

Please can anybody help with thoughts or advice here.

We have a house on the coast, built 1912ish. When it was first built it had an open-fronted arched storm porch which was later enclosed with 2 large wooden doors with window panels in the top (pic attached). Unfortunately these doors have now fallen apart, the arch is boarded up and we are having to use our back door.

I thought it would be a simple job to replace them but we have asked 3 local recommended manufacturing joiners/carpenters, 2 of whom said they would not do the job as impossible to do with modern wood, etc and the third said he would do it but would not guarantee it and would really recommend upvc alternatives. Apparently modern wood, even seasoned hardwood, is likely to twist in the coastal weather conditions (the doors will get direct sun and the wind, blown sand and salt directly off the sea).

We then approached several double glazing companies, all of whom have come up with loads of problems but no solutions. The problems include:
The arch is 2.7m tall and double doors cannot be made that tall
Doors which are big enough would be too heavy for the hinges to support
The curve of the arch starts quite low so hinges would be too low to take the weight without side inserts which then makes double doors too narrow
Composite doors are a maximum of 6'6" tall which looks like a hobbit door when put in the arch

Ultimately the joiners are recommending plastic and the double glazing people say we'd be better finding a joiner! I just want somebody to take the money and do the job! We would prefer a double glazed alternative for practical reasons (like insulation and low maintenance) if it can be done well. Can anybody see a good solution here please?

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CanadianJohn · 10/08/2014 19:34

Have you tried these people: www.doors4home.com/s-116-double-doors-arched-top.aspx

However, 8'10", if I translate the metric correctly, is a really high door. Would it be possible to have a double door with a transom over the top?

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CanadianJohn · 10/08/2014 19:37

From the same site, this is what I mean by a transom. Not sure if the word is used in England.

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Viperidae · 10/08/2014 20:03

Thanks for the reply, I will look at that website.

I have suggested a panel over the top but we still seem to be having the problems re weight of doors, hinges, etc and because the curve starts quite low because of the width of the arch (about 2m) we are still stuck with either side panels and narrow doors or doors that are too short. I don't know if I'm explaining that clearly but to get doors as tall as we need would run into the curve so, if we had a transom that would allow straight doors, they would be way too short

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TheOneWiththeNicestSmile · 10/08/2014 20:08

I can't believe there isn't a proper joiner out there to make exactly what you need

But if there really isn't Hmm, how about a transom across the highest part, plus a large single door, plus tapering side panels into the arch (or would that be too complicated too...???)

Tall double doors into the arch would be best though. Whatever happened to traditional skills?

TheOneWiththeNicestSmile · 10/08/2014 20:10

Have you looked in London?

Viperidae · 10/08/2014 20:25

I haven't looked that far away TheOne because the joiners here are adamant that they know the local conditions which is why they are saying this. They aren't saying it can't be done, just that it can't be done well and guaranteed to last any length of time, fit well, insulate, etc.

We have an interior door behind the small porch which is the original stained glass, etc and is not at all energy efficient so we need the outer doors to protect against the weather and cold

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Viperidae · 11/08/2014 11:03

Just bumping in desperation! All thoughts gladly received

Canadian Thanks for that site but it is USA based and I am in the UK plus the door I liked, again, is not tall enough

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CanadianJohn · 11/08/2014 14:51

Is seems to me that something like this would work. I've invented the dimensions, but notice that the outer edge of the doors taper above the hinge line. I don't see the problem with constructing this, other than the cost.

When I search for stuff on the internet, I always get US results, regardless of how I try to filter it. I'll have another look, at my leisure.

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Viperidae · 12/08/2014 20:04

Thank you Canadian. Here in the UK I'm being told that tapered doors cannot be done so we would have to have a panel down each side for the doors to hinge against.

The door or doors needs to be around 220cm tall (if square topped with a transom over) and it is looking like they will have to be upvc as even the joiners have agreed wood will not be suitable

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CanadianJohn · 12/08/2014 21:11

Well, I don't know what is going on. Of course doors can be curved, that's how all those gothic doors work. I googled for "arched doors, custom made" and got a zillion responses, with lots of pictures of arched doors.

Your climate conditions are a separate issue.

TheOneWiththeNicestSmile · 12/08/2014 22:06

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SmiteTheeWithThunderbolts · 13/08/2014 14:46

What is the shape of the ceiling in the porch? Is it arched like the doors or is it a 'normal' right-angled ceiling? If the latter, could you install two large rectangular doors within the porch (ie behind the brickwork of the arch)? There'll be an issue with weather-proofing the space between the brickwork and the doors.

Have the local joiners completely ruled out wood for any shape of door, or just if it's a curved door?

SmiteTheeWithThunderbolts · 13/08/2014 15:15

What about marine timber? Wood is still used in boat-building (eg masts and yacht decking) so there must be some available that is durable.

I Googled 'marine timber' and lots of UK sites came up, eg www.stonesmarinetimber.com/products.html

Viperidae · 14/08/2014 00:02

Sorry for the late reply, I've been at work and stressed!
I have just written a huge reply but MN has eaten it and it's late so I'll come back and reply properly tomorrow. Thank you all for your replies

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