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Japanese Knotweed Is Our Friend

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WoodenJoeNicholas · 03/08/2014 19:15

I have Japanese knotweed growing in my garden and it is preventing the sale of a neighbouring property. I have no intention of doing anything about it.

This is a cautionary tale with resonance for many in the Mumsnet community. It concerns the sale and the purchase of property, fraudulent misrepresentation, professional negligence, the indifference & irresponsibility of county court judges, neighbourliness, litigation, and Japanese knotweed. The action takes place in a shared-freehold Victorian-built house converted in the 1970s into four flats in an upcoming suburb of South London.
The current owners of Flat A moved in to the property in October 2010, and 18 months later they took action to sue their neighbours at Flats B, C, & D.
The previous owner of Flat A had neglected the property causing a problem with damp, and further exacerbated that problem by covering the front garden with a 7-inch high brick patio thus preventing proper drainage away from the building. He put the flat on the market, and he alone filled out the Landlord’s Information Questionnaire when required to by the current owners’ solicitor. He agreed that there was a damp problem and said that he had consulted his neighbours who all knew about the extent of the problem and had agreed to share the cost of putting it right. Not a word of this was true. In fact, he actively withheld the Landlord’s Information Questionnaire from us all knowing that he’d have a row on his hands. In fact he said just what the buyers wanted to hear in order to get them to exchange contracts. So the new owners move in to the flat and when they raise the question of the damp and start asking for money from us all they meet with resistance. Instead of believing us and instead of going after the vendor for fraud, they accuse us of reneging on promises we were never even asked to make in the first place and issue a costs claim against us.
But how could this possibly have been allowed to happen? Surely the buyers had a solicitor acting for them in the purchase of Flat A? Surely fraudulent misrepresentation must be impossible to get past a competent solicitor? Don’t you hire a solicitor precisely to guard against this sort of thing? Well, they did have the services of a solicitor and, in short, he didn’t bother to check the vendor’s representations and make sure that we all knew about the damp and had all agreed to pay a share of putting it right before advising his clients to exchange contracts and buy the flat. This is a shared freehold property where we are all landlord to one another as well as tenants so we should all have been given sight of the questionnaire. The buyers’ solicitor just did not think it was important to protect his clients’ interests. So could they not have sued him for negligence? Well yes they could have done that but they chose not to because their solicitor is a family member and might strike their names from his Xmas card list. So to avoid such catastrophic social embarrassment, the new owners of Flat A chose instead to sue their neighbours.
Although the claim had no merits, our defence in the county court failed and we were forced to agree to an odious settlement. Legal aid is not available in cases like this and we had to act on our own behalf as litigants in person. As compensation for their conveyancor’s negligence, the owners of Flat A were offered the services of a litigator on tap by the same firm who mishandled their conveyancing, while we had no choice but to represent ourselves. The court is always dismissive of self-representing litigants, and the vendor’s fraud and the solicitor’s negligence counted for nothing in our defence.
Recently, flush with their success in the county court and having roundly defeated their opponents, the owners of Flat A, now the proud parents of a one-year old, put their flat on the market. Their buyer’s survey identified Japanese Knotweed growing in the garden next door and also in my portion of the back garden. A further report obtained by & paid for by the owners of Flat A showed that the Japanese Knotweed is at such a distance from the building as to pose no present or future threat to its structural integrity, but their buyer was still unable to obtain a mortgage and was forced to pull out. The price was dropped by £45K but this in itself did not make the Japanese Knotweed go away nor did it change the policy of any mortgage lender and the flat has now been withdrawn from sale.
Their Japanese Knotweed “expert” (i.e. the bloke from the fast-failing garden centre down the road) who wrote their report was heard to tell the owner of Flat A to have a solicitor’s letter sent to his neighbours and so intimidate them into taking action to remove the Knotweed. The upshot being that he would get the contract to remove it. However, he must have known that the Japanese Knotweed was no threat to the building and that the presence of Japanese Knotweed in a garden is not in itself illegal. He was banking on our assumed ignorance of the law. You are liable only if you have caused it to spread into the wider environment or if the Japanese Knotweed in a neighbouring garden can be shown to stem from any Japanese Knotweed that may be in your garden. Neither scenario is applicable in my case. Removing the Japanese Knotweed from my garden would be costly & inconvenient and would serve only to allow my hated neighbours downstairs to sell their flat. They are now getting a well-deserved comeuppance for their dishonest claim and for the stress they inflicted on us all, and there is not a thing they can do about it. They must now live for the foreseeable future in a pokey flat too small for them and a growing child, surrounded by neighbours they have actively alienated for the past three years, and with the prospect of having to shell out for their share of the cost of repairs to an ageing building they do not want to live in and which they cannot sell. Japanese Knotweed truly is our friend.

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fairyfuckwings · 03/08/2014 19:20

As is karma!

MmeMorrible · 03/08/2014 19:22

Umm - why wouldn't you want them to move? You obviously hate them. You're not really doing yourself any favours here.

LIZS · 03/08/2014 19:23

and you feel the need to post this twice because? Hope you never need to sell or remortgage. In fact your buildings insurer may need to know before it undermines the structure of the building.

OhMyArsingGodInABox · 03/08/2014 19:26

I would LOVE to hear the other side of this sorry tale.

Because your version makes you sound like a pompous, vindictive arsehat.

eddielizzard · 03/08/2014 19:28

fucking hell. i think you need to move on. and i think you should get rid of that japanese knotweed just for the greater good.

i get how awful neighbours can be, but surely you want them to leave? all this negativity is doing you absolutely no good whatsoever. so enjoy your moment of schadenfreude, but then just deal with it.

WoodenJoeNicholas · 03/08/2014 19:29

Yep - karma indeed.

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magpiegin · 03/08/2014 19:33

Can't understand why you don't want to get rid of them and as they say- two wrongs don't make a right.

Bit of a shame for the child being brought up in a pokey flat because a neighbour is being vindictive.

florencedombey · 03/08/2014 19:35

If their county court claim "had no merit", how come it was successful? Curious.

GalaxyInMyPants · 03/08/2014 19:36

Can't you get them to pay for te knotweed removal? Seeing as they want it removed more than you. In the long term having it removed will surely benefit you? One day you may want to sell.

commonorgarden · 03/08/2014 19:44

You seem to be cutting off your nose to spite your face. Now you've enjoyed your schadenfreude it's probably time to rid your own garden of knotweed. You may need to borrow against your flat in the near future and you won't be able to if that's in the garden.

Shared freeholds can be very tricky ime.

Lucked · 03/08/2014 19:48

You presumably have portions of the garden, unless you treat it it will extend by its root system into one of your neighbours and according to your own post you woulda then be liable.

It doesn't have to be too costly to treat particularly if it isn't a large infestation although it may take years to complete. Do it yourself and don't hire the garden centre guy.

I speak from experience as we have a small infestation, so far I have spent £50 in 2.5 years and still have plenty of the weedkiller left.

iamusuallybeingunreasonable · 03/08/2014 19:52

Oh cripes, I imagine on the section of the property info form where it asks about problems with neighbours they cited you as a problem Grin

And this is definitely a man, a wizened bitter old trout at that

I would suggest you get a life

whatadrain · 03/08/2014 19:53

I have up reading due to the lack of paragraphs but I think I'm right in saying... Are you crazy? Clearly you dislike this neighbour, why wouldn't you want them to go? Also are you not concerned about the knock on effect it could have on your own property?

Patrickstarisabadbellend · 03/08/2014 20:03

I like you OP Grin

burnishedsilver · 03/08/2014 20:19

Cut down the plant. Let them sell and be done with it so you can move on with your life.

Sounds like a dreadful place to live.

burnishedsilver · 03/08/2014 20:23

A point to be aware of, for when you are relating this story to others, is that you don't come off well in it.

titchypumpkin · 03/08/2014 23:22

Have you posted this in the hope the mum is a mumsnetter and will read this??? I agree with the poster above who says you don't come off well in this sorry tale

wowfudge · 04/08/2014 08:14

You sound so bitter. Be the better person and step up and sort it - suggest your neighbours who are selling pay for the JK removal as it has had such a detrimental effect on their property. Let's face it, with a shared freehold you are cutting your nose off to spite your face. You do know how quickly this stuff can spread?

BravePotato · 04/08/2014 08:19

But the knotweed, untreated will spread and will affect your property too, no?!

wowfudge · 04/08/2014 10:01

BravePotato, exactly what I was getting at. Removal of the JK will not only serve to help your 'hated neighbours' to sell their flat; it will protect the whole property. I also meant to say 'detrimental effect on their property sale'.

I would suggest that, at the very least, you seek legal advice because you and your neighours failed last time when you didn't have a solicitor or representation in court and you could find yourselves on the wrong end of more legal action, with more costs. In fact, you may well have insurance which you could claim on to resolve the JK issue.

Bite the bullet and deal with it - or face the consequences of it ravaging the building, of which you are a joint freeholder.

There are always two sides to a story and you paint yourself as a victim with everyone conspiring against you - from the vendor of Flat A to the purchasers, to their solicitor to the courts to the bloke from the garden centre. The bile is horrible and will eat you up, if it hasn't already.

SolomanDaisy · 04/08/2014 10:48

I'm going to guess that the terms of the freehold/leasehold agreement make you liable for damp repairs. So you always had a legal duty to pay, which you tried to get out of due to the previous owner being dishonest. Now because the current owner didn't let you get out of your legal responsibilities, you are gleefully punishing a one year old. And posting about it on a website you hope the mother will read.

Do you think you come out of this story looking good?

burnishedsilver · 04/08/2014 16:01

Solomon has it in a nutshell.

Im not sure who 'our' refers to but thet way you're going Japanese knotweed might end up your only friend.

BravePotato · 04/08/2014 17:17

...a friend that will destroy your home too, if left unchecked.

cricketpitch · 04/08/2014 17:31

I have some sympathy as have been damaged by neighbours myself in a similar setup not so long ago.

Your old neighbours were horrible and caused the damp by building the patio. The new neighbours should have dealt with the their vendor and their solicitor but picked the "easier" option - which was you although it was clearly not your fault, and cost you money, (and stress).

Now they want you to get them out of a hole. Maybe if they were nice about it you might help out - but they haven't been. Why should you go out of your way to help them? I understand.

Posters saying that you don't come out of it well might be right - you don't sound lovely - but unless someone understands the hell of a fight with neighbours they cannot comment.

I went to the edge of a breakdown with the worry and stress, the financial losses, the trapped feeling, the not wanting to go out to put the rubbish out in case I saw them and they'd have another go - so I understand. I hope it works itself out.

WoodenJoeNicholas · 06/08/2014 23:20

Thank you cricketpitch. I am sorry to hear about the troubles you had with your neighbours and hope that things have improved for you.

You are the only contributor with any understanding of the intolerable situation we were placed in by our neighbours, a situation that would never have arisen had their own conveyancing solicitor, a family relative, done his job properly. The vendor was dishonest, but he got away with it due to the negligence of the buyers' solicitor. Like you say, they picked the easier option and went after their new neighbours to make good their loss.

As I made clear in the original posting, the JK is no threat whatsoever to the structural integrity of the Building, and is 20 metres away.

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