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Should we add another floor to our house?

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OuchyMcOuch · 01/06/2014 16:52

We live in a Victorian house, it's detached but only just, there's a gap of about 6 inches between the house next door. Our houses are a matching pair. We can't do a traditional loft conversion as the pitch of the roof is too low. Our neighbours approached us a couple of weeks about their plan to submit a planning application to raise the roof and add another floor. They've had preliminary drawings done and the idea is to keep very much in the existing style of the house.

They came over to talk to us and we're quite keen to put a planning application in at the same time as even if we don't go ahead with the plan we could sell the house in a year or so with planning in place.

Thing is, I'm quite keen to do the work ourselves. The house isn't our forever house, but it's location is fantastic. Ten minutes from a good station with trains to Victoria taking only 35 mins. The town centre (also a ten min walk) is practical but not terribly pretty but is in the process of going through a £20m programme of improvement including building a Waitrose (yessss Wink) The schools are good, we have a lovely large common and wood a five minute walk away and the street itself is fab, a real community feel.

In short the location is perfect but the house isn't. There's no off street parking (and no ability to add any but there are rumours the council is looking at introducing a residents parking scheme - but they've been around and nothing's happened yet) and we have two doubles and a single bedroom and a titchy bathroom.

Adding the extra floor would add two doubles and a shower room up there, we'd lose a bedroom (the single) on the 1st floor to create a large family bathroom, we'd retain 2 other doubles on that floor.

Downstairs we have a living room (approx 13'x13') a slightly smaller dining room which we use as a playroom and beyond that a fairly long kitchen (about 7'x23') which you can fit a table in easily.

We also have a 75' garden.

My question (eventually) is do you think it's worth extending the house? I don't want to make it too top heavy with more bedroom space than living space, given we 're adding a whole floor, the preliminary costs have come in at around £50-60k (for which I'm thinking it's probably around £70k). The house is currently worth around £480k. A 3.5 bed house just up the road sold in March for £492k having been on for £500k but the road it's on isn't nearly as nice and it has only a patio garden. A house similar in size to ours with one extra bedroom (3 doubles and a titchy single) was on recently for £575k. A sold sign has just gone up but I'm not sure what it went for in the end.

Any advice or opinions would be gratefully received.

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OuchyMcOuch · 01/06/2014 16:53

God that's long, sorry!

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OnePlanOnHouzz · 01/06/2014 17:40

honestly - I'd suggest a visit to a few local estate agents and ask their advice ! if it's already a good area that seems to be on target to be an even better area it might be a good investment !

Floggingmolly · 01/06/2014 17:46

How likely are you to get planning permission? And will you really get an entire extra floor for seventy grand??? Sounds most unlikely, we were quoted £60k for a loft conversion; comprising one bedroom plus bathroom.

OuchyMcOuch · 01/06/2014 18:45

Wow Flogging... I've asked 4 separate friends who've had loft conversations done and the price they paid ranged from £34k to £48k for the most expensive which had 2 bedrooms and a large bathroom.

I'm going to see estate agents once we've had drawings done to see if we can get back what we spend, but that's a way off so I'm fishing for opinions before then.

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Madamecastafiore · 01/06/2014 18:48

With full bedroom occupancy can your living areas downstairs comfortably support that many people?

I always think it crazy to keep adding rooms upstairs if downstairs not big enough for everyone to rub along without pissing each other off or having to live in bedrooms.

OuchyMcOuch · 08/06/2014 22:05

Sorry, returning to this thread after a while!!

MadameC... We'd only be going from 3 beds to four, and taking the bathroom from a teeny weeny one to a proper family bathroom (our third bedroom is very small, so that would become - with a slight rearrangement a decent size bathroom). We have 2 receptions and a large kitchen diner downstairs.

I don't think that makes it too top heavy does it?

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TheWave · 08/06/2014 22:10

Well you know what they say: location location location. I think apart from the disruption it's a great opportunity to improve the house in sync and in keeping with next door. Probably at the least make your money back for the extra bedroom but it depends on the availability of 4bed houses in the area I suppose.

Also what is the ratio of extra money in relation to the house worth?

TheWave · 08/06/2014 22:14

Sorry just saw your figures. Would interested in your estate agent opinion as to difference as each house seems very individual in terms of kerb appeal etc.

We are thinking along your lines and the estate agent was actually more cagey than I thought but thought we'd make at least the money back on a relatively large extension or make a definite profit on a smaller extension.

LondonGirl83 · 08/06/2014 22:14

No, and loft conversion in SE London for two bedroom and a bathroom cost 48k (excluding the cost of the bathroom). Not sure how much raising the roof would add to that I imagine.

If you could extend the kitchen into the side return, I think you would balance out your living space and bedroom space better but I don't think that is essential.

rebeccamg · 08/06/2014 22:15

I think it sounds great! 4 bedroom houses with kitchen diners seem to have a premium in good areas!
We are buying a victorian house in a great location and hoping to extend and make it 3/4 bedrooms.
I'd get the planning permission and then decide as like you say you cab always sell with planning permission.
Next door had a loft conversion and cost them £50

OuchyMcOuch · 08/06/2014 22:22

A house in our road was on the market a couple of weeks ago, a sold sign has gone up. It had three doubles and a single and one bathroom and it's was on for £575,000. I don't know what it sold for yet, but that's what it was marketed at. I presume that's fairly realistic, unless they had a crap agent.

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rebeccamg · 08/06/2014 22:25

It's what everyone seems to want. Can I ask where you are?

OuchyMcOuch · 08/06/2014 22:25

Londongirl... I did wonder about the side return. We would lose the only window in the room next door (the dining room - currently used as a play room) so we'd have to make the side return extension roof at least partially glazed, and lose the wall between the 2 rooms to ensure some daylight gets in to the dining room. That would make a massive room downstairs, but it would mean we only really have 2 rooms downstairs. The living room and this vast kitchen diner (and a downstairs loo). Do people really go for that? I quite like having rooms I can close doors on, but that could just be me.

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OuchyMcOuch · 08/06/2014 22:26

Rebecca - we're in SE Surrey.

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deepest · 08/06/2014 23:50

Your neighbours approached you as they probabaly have no chance of achieving PP unless you do it togther....and if you object.

It is called a "roof lift" - and is not necessarity much more than a conversion as the new loft is be made off site (cheaper/quicker) and craned in. Takes only a day to remove old roof, crane on the new one and then its only 2 weeks adding in the stairs and plumbing electrics etc. (See Sarah Beeny - double your house for half the money (series 2 episode 8 (?) where they did this for a house in Hook.)

Are you using one of these roof-lift companies or a traditional builder.

We are looking to do this with our detached bungalow - so will let you know how we get on.

I would ask estate agents to assess the added value. But even having the plans in place will add maybe 50% of any uplift if you sell. But if the house is all so perfectly family friendly - a 4th bed sounds ideal - people need it not for a 4th child but to be able to work from home, have an aupair, have as a guest room etc....sounds like a good idea.

OuchyMcOuch · 09/06/2014 00:00

Deepest - their chances are definitely increased if we apply for planning too. They had to inform us because our chimney would have to be raised even though we're not connected as "the products of combustion" (why can't the just say smoke? Grin ) would be too close to their velum windows, but I'm sure part of their plan was to encourage us to go for planning too. Not that I mind, I didn't think a loft conversion was possible until they approached us. If doing it means we can stay in this road longer then I'm happy to put up with the disruption.

We haven't started on builders yet, but the architect came round on Friday and yes, he talked about a roof lift involving a frame built off site and craned in. I asked if we'd have to move out during the works but he said not, doing it in this way would mean we'd have the roof off and back on inside a week. The side walls they'd build up to raise the height of the roof would only be about four foot high to give us enough headroom.

I'd love to know how yours goes... The timescale we're talking about is doing the actual build next summer. When are you doing yours?

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