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Rats in the loft!

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mervynmouse · 26/05/2014 20:39

Went up into the loft today and discovered rat droppings and stinky rat pee in the insulation. God it reeked. Still makes me retch when I think of it. Ugh.

I've lived in the house less than a year and never had a good look up there so I guess the evidence could be old but assuming they are still lurking, any ideas on the best way of dealing with them? Will i have to rip up and replace the insulation? Will the council advise?

I can't imagine what they're living on up there, there is no food nearby.

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divingoffthebalcony · 26/05/2014 20:44

Ugh, you poor thing. Same thing happened to us, but in our case it was the noise that alerted us.

I am sadly a bit of an expert now, so I have two tips.

  1. Snap traps. Forget poison, it's useless. Or go for snap traps AND poison.
  1. It's highly likely they're coming up from the drains. Rats need water, so will keep returning to the drains and then back up to your loft. Find a pest controller that can check your drains with CCTV. Most pest controllers lay poison and do nothing more. Useless, tbh.
Betrayedbutsurvived · 26/05/2014 20:45

Three choices, 1. Shit ton of poison, 2. Environmental health, 3. Private pest control company. If it was me, I'd go for 3. 10 years working in food safety, with pest control a massive part of my job talking here.

stealthsquiggle · 26/05/2014 20:46

I would say the opposite - don't bother with traps, go for poison, but just make sure it is the right poison. Depending where you live, agricultural merchants or pest controllers will be the best source of advice.

mervynmouse · 26/05/2014 21:18

Shock at the thought of them running up and down the drains! I bet the decking harbours them too. How costly is the private pest control option?

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MillyMollyMama · 26/05/2014 22:14

You have no option. Get in private pest control immediately. Do you really want to be handling rat poison yourself?

stealthsquiggle · 26/05/2014 22:44

MillyMolly - well DH has been doing just that (and so have I, on occasion) for the last 8 years (historic building, no way of stopping all the gaps which they come in through), and we have (a) all survived fine thank you and (b) saved £1000's vs what we would have spent on pest controllers, so the OP does have a choice.

mervynmouse · 27/05/2014 07:47

Thanks for the advice. Looks like the pest people the local council have a contract with are around £65 for 3 visits which seems reasonable enough.

I can see this spiralling though as currently the loft access is through a tiny hole between the beams in a cupboard in my bedroom so this could be a good time to get a proper hatch cut out.

Did not sleep well last night with the scent of that rat pee lingering in my nostrils and then this morning discovered that the mouse living under the fridge (brought in by the cat a week ago) has made it to the kitchen cupboards. Shock

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mervynmouse · 27/05/2014 09:20

This infestation has prompted a scouring of mumsnet for tips and my god there are some rodent horror stories out there! One poor woman wore a jumper with a dead mouse in it MORE THAN ONCE and the carcass even stayed in situ after going through the washing machine Shock.

I did chuckle at the thought of the mumsnetter considering setting up camp in the shed with an air rifle and night vision goggles though Grin

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Mumzy · 27/05/2014 09:34

Do you have a tree near your attic? That's another they get in nimble jumpers peanut butter in traps is the best bait

mousmous · 27/05/2014 09:48

rats are noisy. sounds nearly like someone walking in the loft. did you hear anything?
but agree with others, you need to take measures, not least removing anything wet and smelly from the loft.

stealthsquiggle · 27/05/2014 09:56

Rats are, indeed, noisy. Clog dancers. However, if you can smell that foul smell then I am afraid that I would suggest that they are either there or not long gone. Pest controllers should be able to advise.

Rats are a winter problem for us, though (they move back outside in the summer). My current pest problem is caused by two furry feline monsters bringing things in to play with Angry. I need to vacuum the spare room to get rid of all the feathers later.

mervynmouse · 27/05/2014 10:43

I haven't heard anything at all but agreed I need someone who knows what to look for up there, despite my dad's advice to go up again and determine how "glossy" the droppings are Hmm.

No tree nearby but there is a hole to next door's loft space so suppose that's another possible route in.

Interestingly re the damp, the chimney had been leaking until recently (I had made the initial trip to check the new flashing had worked) so maybe the moisture had created their preferred environment.

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stealthsquiggle · 27/05/2014 11:34

OP - my DH stuck his head up into a roof void to establish whether our issue was mice or rats, historic or current - and came nose to nose with a rat GrinShock. DH was significantly more freaked than the rat was.

(Lesson is: send someone else)

stealthsquiggle · 27/05/2014 11:35

OP - my DH stuck his head up into a roof void to establish whether our issue was mice or rats, historic or current - and came nose to nose with a rat GrinShock. DH was significantly more freaked than the rat was.

(Lesson is: send someone else)

mervynmouse · 27/05/2014 14:23

Thanks stealth yes I am going to concentrate on the mouse in the kitchen and leave ratty to the professionals Smile

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stealthsquiggle · 27/05/2014 15:17

For mouse, you need a snap trap ("little nipper") and some chocolate coated cheese. And to shut the cat out or it will catch a cat instead of the mouse.

(This is assuming that your cats are as useless at dealing with mice in the house which they sodding well brought in themselves as ours are, of course. GirlCat (the hunter killer) kept trying to tell me that the mouse was somewhere that it patently wasn't, while BoyCat said "mouse? What mouse?" - and yet they were deeply indignant about being deprived of the use of the kitchen for one night Angry)

mervynmouse · 27/05/2014 15:34

I picked up one of those humane tunnel ones earlier
but seem to recall from years ago they're not very effective now I've got it out the packet.

Cats brought it in and to their credit spent 24 hrs laying in wait but they've given up now. It hides behind the appliances until they go for a snooze then comes out and eats their food and drinks their water. Grin

I'll have to get a snap trap if this doesn't work but as you say it's a mission keeping them out of the kitchen, they will scratch the door all night like creatures possessed Angry

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LilMissSunshine9 · 27/05/2014 20:52

My parents had rats it was horrendous, especially the noise. We tried traps, poison nothing work ended up buying glue traps and checked them everyday - caught them all, we put oil on the glue traps to free them into a big waste bin then drove them miles away to a woodland and released them.

mervynmouse · 27/05/2014 22:03

Lil that sounds like a scene from a horror film Shock
I'm definitely going to have to sort out a bigger loft hatch if that's what it's going to take to get rid of themGrin

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LilMissSunshine9 · 28/05/2014 19:29

yeh it was bad and my parents had that beaded cavity filling in the walls and the rats started going into the walls - the scrabbling noise was awaful sounds like little rocks falling eurgh will never forget it

mervynmouse · 29/05/2014 08:37

It was the thought of you sluicing them off the sticky boards with oil then driving a bin full of rats to the woods more than anything Lil Grin Very brave!

I caught the mouse myself this morning with an ice cream tub. It had become very confident set up camp in the bin cupboard. Let it out at the end of the garden which I am not happy about but didn't have time to do the advised 2 miles away before work. Did consider taking it down to the station with me but thought it might suffocate in the tub in the time it took me to have a shower Grin

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LilMissSunshine9 · 29/05/2014 18:54

hah mervy it was more my parents who did that they are fearless!

MissMilbanke · 29/05/2014 20:18

Didn't think you could get rats living with mice ?

If you've definitely seen a mouse - maybe you've not got rats

mervynmouse · 29/05/2014 22:06

The cats brought the mouse in miss, it wasn't here by choice Grin

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BKarenB · 13/01/2020 13:46

This thread is old, however I am writing this message entirely from my experience, and hopefully it helps others.

If you hear noises from the loft, means there is a infestation.
There are three types of infestation:

a) Resident infestation (means rats/mice live in your loft 24/7)
b) Visiting infestation (means rodents visit your property and go after getting their food/water)
c) a combination of both a & b, (yes! as tourists come to mate inhouse residents and they know when to be back!)

Firstly, no pest control company will give you exactly which category of infestation your loft/attic area is under. So this is where you need to be wiser.

Secondly, the most common reason for infestation are :

a) there is an entry point somewhere to your propertly either using pipes to/from from basement or gaps in the roof-tile joints.
b) Rats love to live in cozy warm area (they make their nesting during autumn end /winter season start), and insulation in the loft is the perfect place for that. They do multiply and spread their droppings, and tend to move their 'rooms' from one area of the loft to the other, where they haven't put droppings. So in short, the whole loft insulation can get nasty by their wee and droppings if the infestation is just 4-6 weeks old (In my case it all happened in 4 weeks holiday when we were away)

You only have two options to treat the rats, from my experience. Please read the aftermaths section later.

a) Do a pest control survey, seal the entry points first, (most likely down pipes or gaps in the roof tiles) and then KILL the rats living inside the loft by using poison OR

b) Attempt to drive the rats away using a ultrasonic sound emitters from 'specialist' pest control companies that promises removal without dead bodies. They temporarily seal the entry points. Monitor for movements and keep doing this step (by re-opening the seal if they 'sense' movements), till you are absolutely sure that all the infestations has been driven away and gone outside.

Aftermaths for each steps:

a) If you use this option A, expect to find dead rats over the loft. Also, the carcass can cause a lot of smell which is disgusting, highly unpleasant and also bring flies, maggots and other insects..It is huge effort removing dead rats and flies and nasty smell emanating from the lofts, especially if they have gone under the boarded part of the loft insulation, they will stick around for ages. For e.g UK houses has tiny loft, and I had such a nightmare dealing with flies and smell. However, this is the only option if you want to be absolutely sure that there are no more rats living in the loft. Removing dead rats and cleaning the loft insulation is the most challenging aspect here.

b) Using ultrasonic sound to drive away rats is not a proven method. Some companies 'guarantee' that they all will be gone in 2 months without any dead bodies. However, am not convinced or sure how credible that is. ultrasonic sound method and monitoring is definitely the 'corpse' free option, however, bear in mind that your loft already may have lot of mess (droppings, wee) which you need to clear anyways.

This is where it all gets tricky. Yes, a mice or rat can cause havoc.
I really hope my experience will help you make the right decision.
Whatever be the decision, unless you are NOT prepared to live with it, expect to spend a lot of money!

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