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Can we do a Loft Conversion - lessons learned thread?

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Itshouldntmatter · 24/05/2014 21:25

This is a total steal from the Bathrooms lesson's learned thread, but we are doing a loft, with a bathroom (and two bedrooms), and the bathrooms thread was so incredibly interesting and helpful, I'd be massively grateful if we could start a similar loft one. I have so many questions - should we get triple glazed velux (worried south facing and two big velux will end up like a sauna)? Should we get velux fitted blackouts or get our own added? Should we include extra sound proofing? Honestly, there are so many questions, and I'm sure there are many things I haven't thought of, so if anyone can tell me what they love/hate about their loft conversions, that would be fantastic! Thanks so much.

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soberton · 03/06/2014 09:46

Hi, we have a loft conversion company coming around tomorrow to go through all the logistics of having our loft converted into a double bedroom, ensuite shower room (just WC, handbasin and shower enclosure) and, hopefully, a small room as a study to house a desk & computer. We live in a mid terrraced bay & forecourt house, built about 1880 ish. Having had someone come round last year , his words were "challenging but not impossible" and first floor ceilings would need to be lowered in order to create height above. Having spent months doing our homework on the subject we feel we're now in a position to seriously push ahead and make it a reality. The equity is good on the property - we bought it 17 years ago for £55k and according to a couple of local estate agents it would now market at £190k ish, the current mortgage is under £50k. I would like to ask if anyone has had experience of lowering first floor ceilings and how that went, how long did it take/add to the job, and obviously how disruptive was it?
TIA

omama · 06/06/2014 22:09

We're still at the 'thinking about it' stage but something I've found really useful is to visit a similar property to your own, that has had a loft conversion done. The company we are considering using arranged this for us, & it was great to get a real feel for what it might look like, what space we'd get, what sort of finish we could achieve etc, as well as a reference for the company (& they were surprisingly honest!)

It was also useful from the point of identifying things we wouldn't do too - they had a narrow staircase & she said moving furniture up there was a nightmare - so we'd definitely want a full width staircase, & we may not go with the en-suite as it seemed to take too much space away from the bedroom. Obv not an issue in a larger loft space but in a more modest one such as ours, every bit helps!

DottyDot · 07/06/2014 16:46

Marking place... We're at the stage of getting quotes for a loft conversion and agreeing adding on to the mortgage in principle with the bank..!

Very excited but pretty scared at the thought of spending all that money - hoping to have a double dormer across the back of the house with velux windows at the front, one bedroom with a shower room. We had originally wanted two bedrooms but our only person to quote so far doesn't think that's possible. Second person coming this week!

PPaka · 07/06/2014 16:58

Go with a recommended company
See what they have produced, and talk to other clients

I made a big mistake of talking to someone who was v happy with conversion, but he had been at work every day when the builders were in, didn't even see them
No kids

I had a nightmare with my builders because I was in the house with toddler, they were very inconsiderate

PPaka · 07/06/2014 17:00

If you really want something and they say it's not possible, get a second opinion. Some firms are used to rolling out their standard conversion, and will dissuade you from anything else

peacypops · 08/06/2014 21:15

soberton we had loft converted on our three bed victorian terrace last year and had two first floor ceilings lowered in order to get more head room. In terms of disruption, we managed to stay in the house whilst it was all being done (in downstairs rooms) but the dust was ridiculous and despite trying to protect everything we ended up having to decorate pretty much everywhere afterwards. The entire job took around 5 weeks and around a week of this was the lowering of ceilings. Our builders were really on the job though and worked solidly including some weekends. We just have one very large bedroom (dormered out back) so you would probably need to factor in extra time if you are planning for bathroom too. We are so pleased with the result; so much space up there and we definitely feel that it has added to value of property and also gives the house a real wow factor. If you have any other qus just ask!

Wolfiefan · 08/06/2014 21:23

We are having a loft extension. We did have to move out for a bit and good grief the dust! Hoping it will be worth it eventually.
We also had to remove the whole roof, replace roof trusses and put on new roof at a different angle. We have lost a tiny room and gained two good sized rooms (one with en suite.)

YoniMitchell · 08/06/2014 21:37

We're on the brink of signing a contract to get the loft of our Victorian terrace converted into a bedroom and en suite. This will involve raising the roofline, losing some of an existing bedroom and sorting a new water main.

This thread is brilliant! So much to consider when it comes to details.

peacypops · 08/06/2014 21:41

The dust is something else - gets everywhere! Worth it though!

YoniMitchell · 08/06/2014 21:53

The dust and mess is my big issue! I need to keep reminding myself it'll be worth it!

PickledLilly · 08/06/2014 22:02

Don't get me started on bloody loft conversions. I'm very 'lucky in some ways and others massively not, that my partner is very handy and has managed to do our whole loft conversion and the changing around of the entire first floor needed to get the stairs in himself. The not so lucky part is the fact he swore blind it would be done before the baby was born. It's her first birthday in a few weeks and it's still not all completed. Getting there but we have been living in utter chaos for a very long time. Fortunately, if you're getting a building firm in you shouldn't have to worry so much about timescale but you'd be surprised how much it impacts on the entire house.

omama · 10/06/2014 21:08

For anyone who didn't bother with an en-suite - do you regret not getting one? We aren't sure if we will have enough space to have one, but I keep thinking how our current bedroom is right next door to the bathroom & if we move up another storey will it be a complete pain having to traipse down the stairs at night if we need to pop to the loo? Bit like going back to the days of downstairs bathrooms Hmm

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 11/06/2014 18:10

Lessons learned for me. [waves to Soberton] We also did a bathroom and two beds in a Victorian terrace, needing the first floor ceilings lowered.

Current building regs for insulation will still result in a loft which is cold in winter and too hot in summer. We had another tradesman in the house who recommended (too late) that we should have also lined the walls with ply. The 4-6in celotex stuff was not enough. The ply would also give a firm base to hang radiators on etc etc. No idea if it would have made a huge diff to the insulation as we had missed the boat so def worth researching.

We put in top hanging velux windows (not hinged in the middle) to avoid bumping your head on them when open. You can't put a security/child lock on top hanging windows though. They are often put in as a fire escape method so I guess that's why Velux don't offer it. The windows will blow open to the max though in a stiff breeze so it's a pain, aside from the safety aspect if you've got children up there.

The stairs although wide curves onto the landing. It's difficult to explain but in practice, it would be very easy to slip down 4/5 steps if you took a step backwards on the corner by the handrail post. Not an issue for adults but with small children its been heart in mouth a few times as there isn't the right constructino to put a stair gate on there. Visiting children or folk in the night are a bigger concern. We didn't put an electrical socket on the tiny landing which was a mistake. A) it's somewhere quick to plug in the socket or wifi booster B) it's a convenient place to put a plug-in safety light.

Yes to velux black out blinds. They are great but pricey, def budget them in.

We have sash windows on the dormer on the back to keep the look of the rest of the house. Mistake. Impossible to clean/get cleaned and they need security locks on them too to stop kids falling out. You can get sashes which open on the side for cleaning but they are mega bucks I think.

We put in a flat roof window dome like this above the new stairwell.
www.velux.co.uk/private/products/velux_roof_windows/windows_for_flat_roofs
It's worth putting the largest one you can fit as it floods the whole house with light. Insist on a brand that you can put an electronic blind on so you can control the loft temp better.

Our loft company wanted to put the bathroom in the dormer side only. It couldn't be done to put it elsewhere because they need to slope down the waste pipes and we were v tight on headroom. So we got a plumber ourselves who was prepared to run the waste pipes from the new bathroom, drop into a bedroom on the first floor (well insulated against noise) and out that way. Main loft bedroom is much bigger as a result.

We moved a combi boiler to the loft. Both the loft bathroom and main bathroom have great water pressure as a result and there is no significant delay to the warm water in the kitchen. We had to replace the boiler anyway but they are expensive to relocate so worth getting a fixed quote for this. There are regs around the loft windows and the pipes for the boiler so you may have to compromise on the location.

We insisted they couldn't use chipboard to floor the loft as apparently it starts to squeak horribly after a few years. Also the whole board has to come up if there's a problem under the floorboards (waste, electric lights for rooms below etc etc) or cut into which is even squeakier in the long run.

Plan the rooms carefully for storage. We didn't line the rooms with ply, so the radiators are hung on wall joists (don't know the correct term). In order to hang them, the radiator is now too far in one direction to fit in an under eave wardrobe. Still figuring out how to get around this without replumbing in the rad.

Lowered the ceilings - we had to empty the rooms below including all carpets and underlay. It looked like a bomb had gone off in those rooms, 100 yrs of victorian coal dust and dirt. The walls wobbled and there was no lighting as no ceilings lights left. Man it was cold, cold, cold. Took about a week for the steels to go in and plasterboard to go up but no plastering or electricals for weeks so you can't really move back into those rooms in any real way.

You can buy rolls of sticky plastic to protect floors. Looks like a giant roll of sellotape. It's the business for sealing off the doors to rooms you want to keep dust free (ish anyway). You can rip it down at the end of the day, bin it and hang a new drop in the morning.

You'll end up replastering/redecorating most of the house. Once you start doing that, you'll add more cost because if you are sensible you will take the opportunity to upgrade old wiring, or add sockets etc. Plan a LARGE contingency fund.

We put most of our house into storage and lived out of the kitchen and dining room/one bedroom for DD for 8 weeks. Declutter like you have never decluttered before unless you like drycleaning bills to make your eyes water.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 11/06/2014 18:12

A) it's somewhere quick to plug in the hoover or wifi booster

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 11/06/2014 18:14

Also - I say 8 weeks but we were gutting the rest of the house at the same time as the whole place needed rewiring and replumbing. In practise it went on for 7 months. The loft co said 6-7 weeks but we had terrible weather so they definitely lost 2 weeks. The rest of it was down to scope creep/other work happening but they were around for 12 weeks in the end.

Gfplux · 11/06/2014 20:03

We live in a new build that had the loft converted at the time of building (11 years ago) into a 50sq meter ensuite, room for our daughter.
It is a wonderful space but I wish I new then what I know now.
In a perfect world.
That is......

  1. Insulate, insulate and insulate. Temperature differences between summer and winter are huge compared to the rest of the house. So I would have liked to consider air conditioning. We have perfect heating but no cooling.
    Also insulate insulate and insulate the roof. Heavy rain makes a lot of noise. No problem perhaps during the day, but at 3am!

  2. There are 4 large velux windows and I installed velux black out blinds on the interior. I now see our neighbours have velux branded electric outside shutters over the velux windows. I now suffer shutter envy.

  3. Velux make a juliette balcony type window !!!!!!!

Great thread
Good luck

soberton · 12/06/2014 16:49

Thanks for your help Peacypops and TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams, and everyone else on this thread - the advice is fantastic and highlights facts that wouldn't come to mind if you hadn't gone through it.
The good news is that the Loft Conversion Company came round and said that a) It is possible and b) He'd be happy to take on the job, but..... the only way forward is to lower ceilings throughout the first floor. He has carried out this work before (although it's obviously not an every day job) and said that it adds about a week to the project. He puts in false/suspended ceilings in bedrooms etc then takes all the existing stuff/original ceiling up and out through the roof - not through the house, although we're prepared for constant cleaning. It's reassuring that you've all been through it with good outcomes. He said that he covers all carpets throughout the area with protective strong plastic which stays down for the duration of the job. He said that his company is booked up for the rest of the year, so we're probably looking at the New Year/Early Spring to get the job done. We'll be looking at £30k ish. But that's fine with us because it felt like such a positive meeting and gives us more time to clear through our stuff/sort out storage/Party Wall Agreements etc. We don't mind waiting as it will be reassuring to know that we have a place in the 'queue'. Our next step is to get back in contact with the Architect (he quoted us £900 + vat) so that he can get on with proper measurements/plans etc.
Thanks again everyone.

DottyDot · 14/06/2014 11:02

eek - appointment with the bank this afternoon to confirm whether we can borrow the £30K for the loft conversion - fingers crossed at 2pm please....

Mum2KSS · 11/08/2015 16:03

fantastic thread - we are going through a complete renovation, extension and loft conversion, the work has commenced today and its all very exciting. I will be watching all these fab threads with keen interest!

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fartlek · 11/10/2016 21:22

Thank-you to the poster who resurrected this and then got deleted! This thread has been a very useful read.

flirtygirl · 13/10/2016 10:48

Wish i had put in an ensuite but had no room as its not a dormer. However, have a lovely sized room with builtin wardrobe and eaves cupboards. I put in 4 doors to the cupboards, all but one easily ascessible and i love the cupboards, my teen hates me sorting them so i try to do it when she is out.

Dormer would have cost 10k more plus cost of ensuite and now thinking probably should have done it as planning to move as need bathroom space.

Would do a loft room again, bought black out blinds from ebay, there are loads of companies that do great ones for all the major window brands and velux is one of many brands, the othrrs are just as good and usually cheaper.

Insulated floor also amd noise is minimal, wish i had put in more insulation but was worried about room size.

Not as bad mess as i was expecting, dusty but i had left my loft empty when i moved in (10yrs before) and it really wasnt that bad, just very cold as the loft was open to the house for a while and freezing. House could not get warm.

Mum2KSS · 13/10/2016 11:22

we went for a dormer and were able to get 1 double room, one single and a bathroom, plus storage cupboards built into the eaves. Would definitely recommend the extra expense of the dormer as its money really well spent.

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