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Elephant and Castle as a place to buy?

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matildawaltz · 15/03/2014 15:15

On a name change here as I think someone has recognized me in real life.
We're relocating to London, work for me based near Regent's Park and husband around Holburn. We are really only familiar with London as tourists and wondering what the Elephant is like to live in? Apparently there is a major redevelopment programme by Southwark council. Initial rental sorted out so we've got a bit of breathing space to look around different areas but an acquaintance has suggested here as a good location for us - professional couple, no kids (nor plans for any), budget 700K, 1 bed (if big enough) or 2 bed flat. Any thoughts or other suggestions?

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Bambi75 · 16/03/2014 20:40

Another vote for Maida Vale

Here you'll be in a lovely affluent area of London within striking distance of everything central london has to offer, but with a lovely village atmosphere with pubs, delis etc on your doorstep. Lovely red brick Edwardian mansion flats. Great for transport, tube and bus get you to the west end in minutes. Regents park very close by and maida vale itself has a park/recreation ground there and a tennis club too. It has a lovely safe vibe. Best of all not a concrete tower block in sight.

Blu · 16/03/2014 20:43

Brixton is a top place to live, too - excellent shopping, brilliant eating, Victoria line, Brockwell park with Lido, Ritzy cinema, and quite the place to be these days.

CoffeeChocolateWine · 16/03/2014 20:52

From what I know (and we have a few people involved in property investment and architecture in my and my DH's families), E&C would be a great place to buy in terms of investment. Yes, it's not great at the moment...a bit of a run-down dive in fact, but give it a few years and it will be very different. It is definitely an up and coming area and property prices will shoot up. My PIL have been buying investment properties for about 25 years and E&C is the one place they really want to buy next. But, you would have to put up with it being a dive for a while!

CoffeeChocolateWine · 16/03/2014 21:01

Interesting...have just read the rest of the thread (which I hadn't before I posted) and hadn't realised it's meant to have been up and coming for quite so long! So perhaps somewhere else then...!

cunningplan101 · 12/08/2014 18:58

Just read this thread and wanted to add a different point of view.

There isn't really an area called 'Elephant & Castle' - unless you mean the roundabout. There's Kennington, Borough, Newington, Walworth. The areas most of you seem to be warning the OP about are the roundabout and Walworth.

The area immediately around the roundabout has London's largest South American community, so if you look past the TRULY horrible architecture, you find lots of little cool South American cafes and restaurants under the railway arches. They're not particularly stylish, but they do really good food.

I live in Walworth and here are some things I really like about it:

  • Some of the last remaining Victorian tenement buildings in London which house artist/crafstman studios (e.g. iliffeyard.co.uk/, www.pullensyards.co.uk/)
  • Lovely architecture such as St Peter's Church architected by Sir John Sloane (in the snow: www.flickr.com/photos/greg75/3246243895/), Liverpool Grove, Grovesnor Terrace, the little conservation area streets built by the Church Commissioners, Sutherland Square, the Old Bath House, Southwark Library, etc.
  • East Street Market in general and esp its little flower market, much cheaper than Columbia Rd flower market and less full of tourists; real mix of market stall holders and shoppers; (but don't go expecting Brixton Village);
  • The Cuming musem (when it reopens)
  • Chumleigh gardens in Burgess Park are beautiful; if you haven't visited them before, definitely worth a trip and you'll wonder why they're not more famous (www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2697137)
  • The Walworth Society (walworthsociety.co.uk/)
  • Lots of little parks dotted around like Nursery Row
  • A great Asian supermarket on Walworth Road which has so many ingredients if you want to try your hand at some pho/ramen
  • Southwark Playhouse is going to be relocated to the area as part of the regeneration

And then if you get bored of Walworth:
-10 mins walk to two Zone 1/2 tube stations & a Thameslink station that's 4 mins by train from the Southbank

  • 15 mins on foot from Bermondsey Street
  • 15 to 20 min on foot from Borough market
  • 30 mins on foot to London Bridge
  • 40 mins on foot to the Southbank & West End
  • Get pretty much anywhere in London day or night by direct bus;

There's also Elefest:
www.elefest.org/

The Walworth Rd is actually made up of some pretty nice buildings; sure the Cashinos & Pound Shops are depressing, but no more than the ones you find in Brixton, Peckham, Camberwell. But it also has G Baldwin & Co, an apothecary/herbalist that has been open for over 160 years, a smart florists, lots of independent grocery stores (most of them pretty run down tbf but milk is milk), and the usual high street shops: an M&S, a Superdrug, an Argos, Morrisons, etc. So it's a mix, like most of SE London.

So ... I'm not claiming that Walworth is the most beautiful part of London. It's definitely rundown, shabby, etc. But because of that, it's one of the last parts of central London which has a real mix of people. There's actually still a small community of old original cockney Londoners in Walworth. Then there's a huge multicultural mix of newer residents who all get on surprisingly well. The housing estates are really ugly and they have crime issues, but no worse than those in Hackney, Peckham or Camberwell. And unless you decide to go join a gang or buy some drugs, you're not particularly in danger. The estates also give people who aren't rich access to central London - and that includes students, artists, academics, healthcare workers, etc. The estate maisonettes tend to be large and have lots of light so the residents are actually campaigning against them being pulled down. If the council looked after them a bit better, they wouldn't be so darn ugly. My biggest fear is that the regeneration is going to screw up the area and make it unaffordable to those who live there currently and just plain soulless. I got a brochure through the post the other day offering people in the Aylesbury Estate the opportunity to bid for a home in the new development that's replacing their current homes - lucky them!

There are some social problems, but also a sense of community which I haven't found in other parts of London.

Sorry for the long post! I don't want everyone to move to Walworth or E&C. I want it to stay pretty much as it is. But if you, or any of your friends, happen to be moving there, and you aren't rich bankers who want to bring along identikit chain stores and a branch of Carluccios (instead of brilliant La Luna, lalunapizzeria.com/La_Luna_Pizzeria/Home.html), then welcome and don't worry you're not going to get stabbed as soon as you step out of the tube.

And I wanted to point out some of these great things to the rest of you so you can come and visit some time - if you can look beyond the 1960s ugliness, you may find some things you like :)

beccajoh · 12/08/2014 19:06

Why the heck would you want to live in Elephant and castle? I've lived in some dodgy areas during my years living in London but definitely wouldn't live there! Buy yourself somewhere much nicer in Borough, Bloomsbury, Wimbledon Village, Islington, Queens Park. More or less anywhere else in London for that matter!

Scarletohello · 12/08/2014 19:12

East Dulwich is a fantastic place to live! Great restaurants, ships and bars and a real villagey feel. Lots going on and easy to meet people and feel part if the community. Pretty good transport links and a lovely local park too.

cunningplan101 · 12/08/2014 19:15

Scarletohello - see my post above.

How much time have you actually spent in the area and whereabouts? Where do you mean by Borough as Borough runs in to SE17. If you'd recommend Borough, why not SE17?

Scarletohello · 12/08/2014 21:09

I think in London we tend to love the area we live in as we build roots and associations there. I've lived in Islington, Wandsworth, Streatham and East Dulwich. Definitely liked East Dulwich the best!

lightgreenglass · 12/08/2014 21:22

The OP doesn't plan to have kids at the moment - as a previous ED resident if you don't have kids don't move to ED the population is made up of children and bugaboos.

If I had 700k to spend on a 1/2 bed flat I'd buy in Kentish Town. We used to rent there and think it has everything people in their 20s/30s without children want!

NoKnickerElastic · 03/06/2020 00:17

Hey, years old thread but searching info on Walworth. Where did you end up buying?

Smallgoon · 03/06/2020 00:44

Elephant and Castle has supposedly been up and coming for the last decade.It's on of my least favourite parts of London. And for 700k, you could get a decent 2 bed flat in a much better part of town, and still be fairly central.

Sushiroller · 03/06/2020 09:39

If you are regents park and holborn both if these are great shouts.

Guessing you are transferring to work at somewhere like Santander or Facebook

Marylebone (but no idea of good streets)
All of it is nice. Love this area good community vibe and nice neighbourhood restaurants. Avoid going over to the edgeware road side too much.
Only watch out is noise.
Belsize Park (looks green and pretty on the west side of Haverstock Hill)
Love love love this area and going down into primrose hill is fab too.

Good luck sounds like you have a healthy budget.

HforHotel · 03/06/2020 17:13

Not a chance in E&C. It was a rough area, can’t imagine it’s much improved.

Lots of good suggestions above of nicer areas

Movinghouseatlast · 03/06/2020 17:38

No no no! Elephant and Castle has been up and coming since I moved to Herne Hill in 1985. It is still pretty rough.

Settlersofcatan · 03/06/2020 18:25

I don't think Elephant and Castle is as bad as some are suggesting - I used to work there.

I would go for Surrey Quays with that budget, it's quiet and residential, the canals are pretty and it's fairly close to stuff to do.

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-66983529.html for example

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