500m width (ikea) kitchen cabinet pullouts?

[soy413]

Boyfriend and I don't have the resources now to do up the kitchen but one thing that would make a huge difference is adding pullouts/drawers to the base cabinets. It looks like the previous owners put in IKEA cabinets but they are shelves only. (There are no upper/wall cabinets).

The problem is that they are somewhat non-standard sized. The width is 500mm. On one side of the kitchen, the base cabinets are about 600mm depth and on the other side, they are 350mm (I reckon previous owners put IKEA wall cabinets on the floor to make them base cabinets).

Now Ikea has drawers for 500mmx600mm - www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/70110156/
But only two of these drawers have drawer fronts, one which is shallow and the other which is deep. I want both of them to be deep! Yet their drawer fronts only come in the sizes of 400, 600, and 800mm.

The cabinet fronts seem to come only in those sizes as well. (We have Adel, off-white by the way. Tacky but I can deal with them for another few years). They don't even seem to have pullouts for the shallow cabinets (depth 350mm).

At this point the DIY-savvy might think, 'huh, maybe I can cut down the 600mm drawer front to 500mm and fit it in?'

Without the resources (I'll even have to borrow a drill to install the pullouts so we definitely don't have any metal saw to cut down the aluminium drawer fronts) or the DIY-keen imagination, I'm inclined to look elsewhere for cabinet pullouts that will accommodate my non-standard IKEA cabinets. (unless it is dead easy to cut them down???)

I need 5 500x600 cabinet pullouts and 4 or 6 500x350 pullouts.

This is where I need help! Might you be able to recommend any other cabinet pullouts that might fit ours?

TBH, your best bet might be to go into an Ikea kitchen department and talk to them.

They don't do the shallow 50-wide shallow drawers as far as I know.

For the deeper cupboards, you need to attach your existing door to the bottom deep drawer. The other two drawers sit inside, as the runners go one hole further back compared to the bottom drawer.

So you have one deep, attached to the door, one deep with a silver front, and one shallow with a silver front.

By shallow in the first sentence I mean to fit the wall-depth cupboards.

The base cupboards are the reduced depth base cabinets not wall cabinets. We are just about to use them on our peninsula (both sides)

I haven't seen the 500 drawers only 600 drawers.

Ikea are bringing in a completely new kitchen cabinet system soon an so you might find what you need then. Ikea is great for kitchens but you do have to design around what they have rather than what you would like in an ideal world if you went down the custom kitchen route.

The ikea drawers are blum drawers and so you could google to see whether they do the 500 shallow drawers.

just checked and the shallow depth drawers only come in 40 60 or 80 cm so you're out of luck if you want proper drawers

You could have the internal pull out drawers with the full door fronts though. They come in 50cm width

The base cupboards are the reduced depth base cabinets not wall cabinets. We are just about to use them on our peninsula (both sides)

They are the same thing (wall/base). The 72cm height wall cupboards = a narrow base cupboard at worktop height. The 90cm wall cupboards can be used to take an upstand behind a breakfast bar etc.

You could use wicker baskets instead ?
www.hafele.co.uk/shop/p/wicker-baskets/wicker-baskets-with-angled-front/22401/6512
Or ask a kitchen company local to you for 500mm dresser drawers ( they are wall unit depth - and pretty easy to install yourself ) - most places could get you beech drawers with metal runners this size quite easily - for approx £35 a drawer ! :-)

Ooh thank you OnePlanonHouzz That might solve a problem or two for me.

Yay ! :-)

Right, I have just had an Ikea kitchen fitted and the main problem for you is that if your cabinets are 500 wide then Ikea doesn't really accommodate that option in drawerness.

So the 3 drawer you have linked is more difficult than you think in terms of you not having the basic tool kit. You would need to remove the hinges attached to your door, use the plastic plugs supplied with the drawer kit and then mark the door with a bradawl (pointy thing to make a dent) and screw into the door and the plastic plug. I know because I watched the kitchen fitter do it.

This then allows you to attach the bottom drawer to your door. My kitchen is on my profile. I have 4 x 600mm versions of this but with the drawer at the top.

instructions on fitting the drawers have a look at step 14 onwards.

The only solution is to talk to Ikea to see if when they change their kitchens whether they will cater for 500mm cabinets better than they do (you can't even buy a drawer front for a 500mm, well I can't find one for you) or get a local company to make some drawers for you.

I actually based my kitchen lay out around the limitations of the Ikea kitchen because I specifically wanted drawer pull outs for all my crockery and bakeware etc.

Or get the baskets for the deep 50 cupboard. I think you need the extra opening hinges though.

www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/80035915/

I have these for my veg cupboard.

Ikea are extending the range of kitchens in January, including cabinet sizes.

I had a similar problem, I kept the original cupboard door and bought some sturdy wire baskets with runners on eBay (although there are lots of companies online that do them they were cheapest) cost me about £20 each and we managed to get 3 in one base cupboard, the top one only has enough height for tins and bottom two fit packets of pasta/rice/flour etc. it was well worth the money and makes such a difference. I'll never have food on shelves again! Good luck, hope you find something!

I do have to wonder why the previous owners put shelves in the base cabinets rather than drawers/pullouts in such a small kitchen/diner but hey, I am grateful they are at least functioning (unlike my smeg oven temperature control which seems to have gone just by itself, or the john lewis washer/dryer that does not seem to dry anymore...)

deepfriedsage, yes, if I don't get around to tackling the reduced-depth cupboards until then maybe I'll have another look.

donteatthat, thanks for the ebay thought. I forget that ebay sells more than just second hand clothes!

LittleRedSquirrel, I did think that maybe Blum might have drawers that would fit but I haven't had any luck in my search (which, to be honest, was fairly cursory...short attention span...)

PrimalLass, based on what you wrote I decided to go ahead and order the 500mm width 3-drawer kit from Ikea. I figured at least the top drawer already has a cabinet front in my kitchen, so the two drawer fronts that come with the kit can be used for the second pullout and the bottom pullout. If the drawer slideouts clash with the hinges then I could just attach the door to the drawer.

Potterer, thanks for the tip re: bradawl - I imagine it doesn't come with the Ikea kit? I have my swiss army pen-knife, maybe I can score it with something in there... I've had a look at Ikea's inventory and it's true, they don't have drawer fronts in 500mm. If this kitchen gets updated I am definitely getting rid of the 500mm width cabinets! Your kitchen looks lovely from the photos.

Ikea drawers are not actually Blum, they are 'Rationel'
they use Blum hinges but not drawers.
www.ikea.com/gb/en/assembly_instructions/rationell-fully-extending-drawer__AA-268770-7_pub.PDF

Blum do drawer depths 270, 350, 400, 450, 500, 550 & 560

We did a similar thing to our previous kitchen but using off the shelf drawer boxes from a kitchen component supplier (it wasn't Ikea). Took hinges off the cupboard door and attached it to the bottom drawer, so the whole thing pulls out. Then there were two "inner drawers" at mid and top of the cupboard. This is better if you have the handle in the middle at the top - could you move yours and fill the tiny hole? (Get a tin of Humbrol paint in cream to touch up).

It is a brilliant solution for base units and better I think than a side opening door with 3 pullouts (which I have now) because you don't have to swing open the entire door to get something out of the top drawer IYSWIM.

I'm sure I read somewhere Ikea drawers were made by Blum but to a different spec. If you did want pullouts for your shallow cupboards, you can order them from somewhere like this but they aren't cheap. I expect those cabinets are not as inaccessible though, being shallower.

Be aware that the new ikea kitchen range is 100% non-compatible with the old one. Not even the hinges are the same. Even though they say they will keep spares for the old one this is not as easy as it sounds. Parts are ordered from a central European warehouse and postage is quite expensive.

If the drawer slideouts clash with the hinges then I could just attach the door to the drawer.

You just have to put the drawer runners one hole back. Have just checked and the doors on my larder cupboard don't open past 90 degress and the drawers work fine.