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Style or substance??? How big a wood stove to get

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furryfriends57 · 20/09/2013 05:39

Has anyone else faced the style or substance dilemma regarding choosing a back boiler stove to heat rads. Plumber has suggested getting the biggest stove possible to heat enough water for the 20 rads in our house. The only one I have seen that can do that is a humongous bear of a thing whereas I have seen pretty little stoves that can heat 12 rads. I can't even imagine how to style the sitting room to accommodate the 20 rad one as we have a standard size fireplace and it will be dwarfed by it. Thanks .....

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BrownSauceSandwich · 20/09/2013 09:23

It'll sort of depend on how committed you are to solely wood fired central heating. If you have a system that will accept heat input from a gas boiler as well as from the solid fuel back boiler, then you can top up the central heating that way, otherwise I think your plumber is probably right. Your house must be pretty big to have 20 radiators... You're not going to get them more than tepid without a beast of a stove! Ok, so you're not going to have all of them switched on at once, right? But you'll still be heating the water in pipes between them. The sheer size of the system will be a serious challenge to a moderate boiler. Bear in mind , too, if you aim to use wood rather than coal in a multifuel stove, the output will be considerably less than the manufacturer's rating.

However... If you consider a very high heat output stove, you need to be clear about how much of that is space heating, and how much diverted to the back boiler. We have a small stove, carefully sized to the room, but when it's going full throttle, we do tend to wilt in the heat! If the rating is too high for your room, your sitting room will be made completely unusable in order to get the central heating working. And that's without even starting on the aesthetics...

I think you need to stop and ask yourself what your aims for this system really are. If its the aesthetics of a solid fuel stove, then get the size of stove you want to look at, either separate from the CH, or with a back boiler to contribute to a more complex system (with gas system boiler, maybe solar hot water too... Will require a pretty fancy hot water tank). If its all about renewables as fuel, consider a pellet boiler, which can be sited away from the living areas (though pellets are less convincing as carbon neutral fuel).

furryfriends57 · 20/09/2013 10:34

Hi Brownsauce thanks Thanks for replying! I was sleep deprived when I posted and forgot to add that we will have solar panels and oil central heating as part of the mix. Maybe your suggestion to see the stove as part heating the water is a good one as the stove to heat all our rads will be a monster. The solar panels should have heated the water somewhat already so maybe the two together will be enough. Yes we have loads of rads, we're moving from a cold house and have gone ott on rads to make sure we never shiver with cold ever again Grin

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MummytoMog · 20/09/2013 10:36

We considered a back boiler and reinstating the side stack, but ended up just having a normal stove in the living room and pulling the rads out in that room. The rest of our house is heated by a normal combi, which is only on for an hour a day, which sort of takes the edge off and lets the woodburner get on with it. Also useful for when we're waiting for the sweep (like now) and don't want to burn the stove. Of course our boiler and our stove have been out of action this week, but that's not going to happen very often! I think having a combi top up your rads and getting a smaller stove is probably your best option, although I don't know how people have these stoves that make it too hot! We have a carron multifuel, which is supposed to be 7kw and we have to have it going all day before it gets too warm in our living room.

BrownSauceSandwich · 20/09/2013 12:37

Ooh, well in that case, the smaller stove with part-contribution to CH would be my ideal set-up. Go for the biggest stove you love the look of. You lucky beggar! We looked into it, but just didn't have the money, but from my investigations, the cornerstone is getting a really good thermal store, with multiple input coils and suitable for solar thermal. We were eyeing up the akvaterm ones (Scandinavian company, I think, and those boys know a thing or two about heating!)

Note that combi boilers don't work in this kind of system... The vast majority only take cold water inputs, so you can't preheat with solar/solid fuel and then top up with combi. But a good, appropriately-sized thermal store should be able to do you a hot bath a day after you heated the water.

BrownSauceSandwich · 20/09/2013 12:43

M2M: we have one of these www.westfire.dk/fireplaces.aspx?ProductID=PROD129

4.9 kW in a 4x4x2.4 m room. After 30 minutes, the room is warm, and after an hour, if you're not careful, it's sweltering!

MummytoMog · 20/09/2013 12:51

OOh that's lovely! We are limited to clean air models, and what we can fit in our hearth. I suspect a lot of the heat from ours goes into our neighbour's dining room and into the chimney breast.

furryfriends57 · 20/09/2013 14:47

Oh Brownsauce you are a font of information thanks so much Thanks. Its interesting that you say the stove won't heat the part heated water from the solar panels, I had hoped it would and save some of the effort in the stove heating water, I must ask our plumber about how it will all work. I can't remember what solar panels are being installed, another question for the plumber, he's going to be fed up with me at this stage.

Can you or anyone recommend a good place to see images of stoves in sitting rooms, I've looked on pinterest and houzz but they were very American and our stove is going to be piped back thro the fireplace opening and up the chimney (rather than a pipe going straight up thro the ceiling, hope I've explained that right).

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secretscwirrels · 20/09/2013 14:58

I have a multi fuel stove with a back boiler that supplements an oil boiler.
With a back boiler much of the heat goes into that and not the room so you definitely still need a radiator in the room.
Wood burning stoves need a lot of wood. You need a really good supply of wood and somewhere dry to store it.
I can't find the link but I remember reading that if you had a very large wood burner you need to be prepared for the whole family to stand in line feeding it all day.
Slight exaggeration but it's much easier to run a multi fuel.
Lots of good advice on this website

Flibbertyjibbet · 20/09/2013 15:17

We went for a larger sized stove, with no back boiler.
Yes it gets the room very warm but its a small house so when its on we leave the lounge door open so the heat wafts upstairs.

The reason we got a large one is that the larger the stove, the less you have to chop the wood. As we get our wood from actual logs that we have to chop up ourselves, this was a big consideration. Additional reason is that when you have a larger one with a flat top surface you can put a stove top kettle/pan of beans etc on there and save on cooking fuel costs too.

We don't all have to spend all our time feeding it with wood either. Once its got going we close all the vents and a couple of pieces of wood can last a couple of hours just glowing, giving off tons of heat but no flames.

Its multi fuel but we only use the free wood we get given, no coal so far.

BrownSauceSandwich · 20/09/2013 15:35

Sorry FF, I didn't mean to say that the stove won't top up the solar hot water... It totally will. I meant to say that there's usually trouble trying to integrate a combi boiler, but I guess that wasn't part of the plan anyway. You do have to have a special hot water cylinder to make the most of the solar hot water, but your plan for the system sounds bang on to me Smile

BrownSauceSandwich · 20/09/2013 15:37

Sorry FF, I didn't mean to say that the stove won't top up the solar hot water... It totally will. I meant to say that there's usually trouble trying to integrate a combi boiler, but I guess that wasn't part of the plan anyway. You do have to have a special hot water cylinder to make the most of the solar hot water, but your plan for the system sounds bang on to me Smile

furryfriends57 · 20/09/2013 22:32

Thanks everyone especially Brownsauce, decision is taken - we are getting a smaller version for 12 rads in gloss finish, it will be fab I hope (fingers crossed emoticon)

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BrownSauceSandwich · 21/09/2013 09:24

That sounds great. Glad to help a bit. I bet you'll really enjoy it Smile

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