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Thornton Heath? With young children - would you?

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Baalamooree · 10/09/2013 15:58

It looks like we have missed the boat in SE London. We were set on South Norwood as it was relatively cheap, compared to the rest of SE London, but even that is looking unaffordable for us. We can stretch to £240k max and have 2 DC so we will need to consider primary schools in a couple of years. We need to stay in London for DP's job so as much as I'm tempted, it's not really an option.

We only know the Grangewood Park area and it looks nice enough. Does anyone live in Thornton Heath with young DC? Is there a reason it's cheap or can someone be wonderfully reassuring and tell me it's going to be ok?

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MissDD1971 · 12/09/2013 13:47

pinkdelight - yes, I don't know if it's called Americas Estate! But I know now!

It says Upper Norwood some areas. sadly at about £300 upwards I think out of OP budget.

The Streatham Common end strangely enough is ok because then you have Streatham Common train station and I think another one. Also very simple 1920s/30s semis there.

I know Downsview as I went to school there for a year (moved back to area 10 years ago) and it is a good school.

Fairylea · 12/09/2013 13:54

I'm really surprised people think Thornton heath and norbury are safe areas. It must have changed a lot in the last 6 years then because I spent 26 years in that area and saw it get progressively worse (culmulating in me being flashed at in broad daylight in norbury park and a year later being mugged on my way home from the train station at 5.30 in summer.... )

We moved away to south Norfolk. I appreciate that's not an option for many people. But I honestly think once you've experienced life outside south London you would never go back.

I'd go nearer to crystal palace etc.

MissDD1971 · 12/09/2013 14:05

fairylea - I KNOW!

I've been mugged in an estate near Crystal Palace (Central Hill estate) but Thornton Heath especially was known for being nasty. Norbury was safer in our opinions as more ethnic - well lots of Indian shops and I went out there and though a bit grubby it was fine.

I know someone who lived on Aylesbury Estate in Elephant and Castle and SHE thinks Thornton Heath is unsafe.

feelthis · 12/09/2013 14:05

OP where does your DP need to commute to area wise? That would help with ideas

Noseynoonoo · 12/09/2013 14:14

Have you thought of posting this on Mumsnet Local Croydon?

Baalamooree · 12/09/2013 15:02

Never heard of the Americas Estate, I'll certainly do some research. DP needs to be in Soho/Shoreditch usually but at times he can be anywhere, which is why we decided near Norwood Junction.

The more anecdotes I hear about Thornton Heath the more it troubles me. I hadn't really given any of the other areas much thought but I'll look into them, although the easier it is to get to Victoria the better (Ideally I'd like to be near the coast but still near London, but maybe in another life...)

Good idea about posting on the Croydon page, I've had so much helpful advice here, MN is fantastic!

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MPD · 12/09/2013 18:24

I lived in Thornton Heath for 20 months where it borders Upper Norwood. Always felt a bit grim. Never used Thornton Heath itself as felt too rough. It was a trek up the hill to Crystal Palace as a result always felt a bit isolated and little sense of community. I have two children under 5 and they were the reason we moved as couldn't bear the thought of them growing up there.

Theathdweller · 13/09/2013 13:13

Yes, I agree it could be isolating. We're a big family, it's the only place we can get a big enough house!
I agree it's not for everyone & obviously there are areas that are worse than others. But I still stand by my original view that it's not that bad! I think most areas in SE london have dodgy parts. I asked a friend who lives v close to me (and has for much of her life) she said that the only time she's ever felt threatened was in Crystal Palace Park, where she was flashed when she was a teenager.
I do agree that it's generally tatty and a bit miserable though! But we've got a nice house with a big garden, in a road with nice people and a car to escape!
It depends what you'd be happy with though OP, I don't think it would work for you think you'll be worried to leave the house. Have you thought about Forest Hill?

Theathdweller · 13/09/2013 13:15

Sorry, lady sentence should read
I don't know if it will work for you if you think you would be worried about leaving the house.

Theathdweller · 13/09/2013 13:35

Or charting/ Woolwich sort of way?

MissDD1971 · 13/09/2013 13:54

don't be scared about leaving the house in daytime OP! I'd say Thornton Heath is more grubby than scary at day. Night-time its ok but depends if you'd be walking after school etc eg in dark. personally I wouldn't walk near Grangewood Park (just next to it) but that's me.

Addiscombe Village is nice and Woodside. You can also get trams to East Croydon which is direct fast trains to London Bridge and Victoria.

You are also near Shirley/Purley - no idea about schools but maybe church/private/other schools.

if you want to be close for Shoreditch/Soho then look for East London line (trains/tubes go there or near) and Anerley/Penge. Anerley now has a Women's Institute with Crystal Palace in Anerley Town Hall and Penge is really coming up, lots of theatre pubs etc. Penge West station when I was there recently also looked smartened up and safe.

DustinTime · 13/09/2013 14:44

I was coming on here to say Norbury but read Fairylea's post which I've seen before and thought, I'm not commenting!

However, I learnt something new today via another thread on MN...I apparently live in 'West Norbury' Smile which is across London Road, and down near Standford.

This area is lovely and I always feel perfectly safe when walking around, even late at night. We moved here 3 years ago from West London as we could afford to buy here, with some outside space. I can't comment on Norbury over the other side of London Road as I never go there, apart from once when DH, DD and I went for a walk and I will concur that the area felt really dodgy but I thought we'd actually walked to Norwood...but maybe it was Norbury?

Anyway, what I'm rambling on about and trying to say is don't necessarily listen to what others say about a particular place, go there yourself and see what vibe you get. Everyone we told we were moving to Norbury advised us against it but I can honestly say it was the best thing we did. Our neighbours are lovely, it feels very family friendly and our CM is fantastic.

Baalamooree · 13/09/2013 15:41

Oh no, sorry, I didn't mean I would feel unsafe if I ventured out during the day. I'm from London, and have lived in North and South (London) so nothing phases me, although I think since being a parent I worry more. I think I'm quite streetwise but I would like to feel safe if I'm in a park early morning or late winter afternoons. I'd also just not want to worry if DP came home after midnight - but saying that, even in so called nice places you can get dodgy areas.

I visited Addiscombe today and it doesn't really feel like London, I'm unsure if that's necessarily a positive thing, but it seemed nice enough although a little out of the way. For some reason I prefer it to Woodside. Norbury seems to be mentioned a few times, I've always found it difficult to tell where Streatham ends and Norbury begins. Maybe I'll have a drive around there.

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MissDD1971 · 13/09/2013 21:26

OP my friend just moved to Addiscombe. She likes high street which has fishmongers, butchers etc.

Also I used to attend counselling at St Mildred's Church but it was very community based, singing groups etc there and a not bad park next to it.

I agree thinking on it Woodside isn't as nice as Addidcombe.

AgathaPinchBottom · 13/09/2013 21:58

What about anerley?

FromTheHeath · 14/09/2013 08:07

Long term lurker, first time poster (hello!) coming on to post as I grew up in T Heath (near the dreaded pond that isn't a pond) and occasionally go back now and then for the football and to see friends.

On the green space front I wouldn't worry too much - Grangewood Park is nice (my dad used to live opposite) there's also (if they haven't disappeared) Trumble Gardens and the Recreation Ground which were all places I and my friends played in as kids. Crystal Palace Park and S Norwood Country Park also close if you have a car.

Activities for kids include the library and the recently rebuilt swimming pool, and there's probably more going on than that I don't know about. Teens - less good, but there's shopping/cinema in central Croydon a short bus ride away. Have to admit that as I got older and came back for visits from university the main appeal was that central London was 20 mins away by train.

I never felt/feel scared walking around in the day but occasionally did feel a bit worried at night as a older teenager after a bit of catcalling on the street, but in my experience that can happen in any part of London, sadly. The worst we had was a couple of break ins.

Community wise, it's hard to say what it's like now, but I remember knowing a fair few of our neighbours, and when my mum sadly passed away and I was sorting her house and funeral a few people came up to me on the street and gave their condolences, which meant a lot. We also held her wake in her local pub and lots of people dropped in.

The High Street is pretty awful though!

Should also add the caveat that I haven't lived there fulltime for (counts) around 14 years, but I thought you might want reassurance that kids can grow up there with no obvious ill effects.

RedHelenB · 14/09/2013 09:08

Surely every area of London will be "up & coming soon given the housing shortgage?

Theathdweller · 14/09/2013 22:26

I've wondered about the 'pond' fromtheheath, I'm assuming there was a pond there at some point! And yes, Trumble gardens is still there Smile

If it's just that you're worried about your husband at night baalamooree then surely he could get a taxi from the station, that's what we tend to do. Although DH has walked home lots of times with no problems. I'd hate to convince you that it's ok, for you to then hate it though! I think you've got to go by your gut feeling sometimes.
Good luck!

FromTheHeath · 16/09/2013 09:03

Glad to know the Gardens are still there, thanks!

I have seen a photo from many years ago of the pond with actual water in it :)

nessus · 16/09/2013 11:00

I wouldn't recommend a move to TH...I moved out and 'upgraded' to Anerley but nearer the Birkbeck end. Down the road from Crystal Palace, Elmers End, Beckenham, Norwood Junction and yes Penge (!) = amazing transport links, green space, young families and v.good schools in Elmers End & Beckenham.

DD got into an outstanding ofsted rated primary in and we were just under a mile away.

Just had a look on RM and you can afford it under stamp duty.

nessus · 16/09/2013 11:06

And if you really need a feel for the 'ghetto' you can always consider Penge or South Norwood / Norwood Junction...

MissDD1971 · 16/09/2013 13:45

Penge is now prounounced Ponge LOL and is coming up a lot. the Bridge Tavern I think now has a new theatre etc. And Sainsburys Local.

Even South Norwood has a new leisure centre, Sainsburys Local and at long bloody last seems to be vaguely getting nicer.

Baalamooree · 16/09/2013 22:01

South Norwood ghetto made me smile. There are, and were, so many undesirable parts of London that are now unaffordable and 'on the up'. Crystal Palace was one of those, although that's already up, Anerley and Ponge seem to be going the same way so I guess it's only time before people start to look at South Norwood in much the same way. Actually, they probably are, seeing as I may not be able to afford it.

Thornton Heath on the other hand is on the boarder of Upper Norwood in places yet the same is not to said of it - it's really odd, but I guess that's the thing about London.

Nessus I've looked at Anerley (although not for some time) and I have never found anything in my budget. Maybe my need for a house and a garden is making it more difficult, I'd be interested to know more about the schools though.

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Iamaslummymummy · 17/09/2013 16:27

We lived in Thornton heath for 7 years on Northwood road and Beulah road. We have moved out to Medway. I just didn't want to bring my son up there as all of the local schools were dire and the park was just so so boring. We grew up in Streatham (during the time that it wasn't fashionable) so we were used to living in South London and what goes with that. Thornton heath was just not great at all

nessus · 17/09/2013 18:17

Have messaged you Baalamooree

And whilst at it checked RM focusing on the SE25 Croydon LC area near Harrington Road which DD and I call 'Balamory Street' due to its colourful houses. Harrington Road connects you via the country park to Elmers End and borders SE20 which is Bromley LC. and there are 3 bedroom houses for under 250K. The reason I mention both councils is that to my mind there are only 2 decent primaries around that area and one belongs in Bromley (Marian Vian) and the other in Croydon (St Thomas Becket - you do need to be Catholic certified but I hear you can buy a certificate on ebay for pennies nowadays direct from the vatican...)

I realise these small selection look dire but it proves that with all our minds and hearts we can get you as far away from TH as financially possible :p

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-34827865.html
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-34827655.html
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42442751.html

a bit more hopeful...

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-27555786.html?premiumA=true almost Beckenham!

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-40599748.html

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-40605466.html

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42942833.html In the catchment for both Marian Vian AND Langley Girls and Boys!!!

Okay, need to go figure out what to feed DD for dinner that is not noodless...

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