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Should I Move to London

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Ilovechorizo · 10/06/2013 10:41

Hi all. I would really appreciate some honest thoughts, particularly from those of you that live or have lived in London.

My situation is that I work in London in a job I really enjoy and an employment area that really only exists in the capital.
I live out in rural Berkshire and my 3 little ones are well settled in school but all aged under 7.
I thought I could cope with the commute but after 3 years I am sick of wasting 4 hours of family time a day on the train.
If we moved to town I could get home for dinner with my wife and kids, help with the homework.
My budget is about £450K, is this enough to ge a decent 3 bed house in an area where I would be happy to move my family from. I realise that in London this does not go far at all. Its a result of having a public sector job I love and not giving in to the risk of selling out and getting back on the corporate city rat race. The thought of moving them from a Berkshire village life to London and London schools does scare me a little. Please tell me that my fears are just preconceived misconceptions.
Any thoughts gratefully received!

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oscarwilde · 10/06/2013 12:00

4 hrs a day sounds grim. No wonder you have had enough.
Racking my brains as to what public sector company is based in Canary Wharf of all places [very nosy], I assumed from your initial post you were based in Westminster. I take it that even though it is public sector, the option to work from home regularly isn't there or you would be doing it already or working from the nearest public library if space at home is an issue

So specifics. IMO £450k won't buy you a 3/4 bed house in Greenwich or Blackheath in the tiny catchment areas for an outstanding state primary school of which there are very few. Even fewer at second level. Angry There are lots of small 3 bed terraced houses in the area, with teeny gardens so you could buy a doer upper quite easily and convert the loft which most of us are doing but it would mean waiting until you have the cash and living with builders for a bit which may or may not be an issue depending on how much space you are used to at present. There is lots to do in the area and lots of green open space but sadly you are unlikely to find it in your back garden. Someone will be along with a link but I've checked out what's been posted so far and it is either v close to the A2 or nowhere near a v good primary. I'm guessing that if you currently live in a nice rural village, the reality of the A2 will send you heading back there quickly.

As far as SE London goes, you could definitely get a nice house on that budget but schools will be your problem and probably should be your priority in your search. Find the school, define the catchment area and start househunting.

A new free school has opened on Shooters Hill I think as a result of poor local schools mostly which opens up Woolwich and Eltham and much bigger houses but they are rougher areas than Greenwich or Blackheath as a generalisation. It's London though - it's not uncommon for there to be serious crime in the most affluent areas. Despite the recent news from Woolwich, serious cash has been invested into the area in recent years and there will be a Cross rail station (DLR already) opening there, which can only increase the influx of people buying in the area. At present though, it is predominantly a socially deprived area.

A number of friends are moving from Greenwich to East Greater London - Epping area, Essex and Bedfordshire primarily for the schools, but with leafier feel and quicker commute into Canary Wharf than other parts of London. I can't personally comment on those areas though. Several colleagues/friends commute into the Wharf from Sevenoaks, Paddock wood and Tunbridge Wells on fast trains, changing at London Bridge. Schools are for the most part better on average out there and more bang for your buck with a house.

Chislehurst, Orpington, Bromley are the other naice 'burbs worth a look. You're still within a quick commute into London Bridge area (30 mins - probably an hour door to door all in or you could cycle), good schools and leafy feel.

Hope that helps - happy to answer any specific questions on the Greenwich area if you want to PM me.

Have you considered renting a room Mon - Thursday? Not ideal but you could discuss working flexitime with your employer. Lots of people I know are now working a 9 day fortnight - increased hours for every other Friday off. Presumably if you do a 4 hr commute you don't see your kids much Mon-Friday anyway?

Ilovechorizo · 10/06/2013 12:16

Oscar Wilde. Thanks for your informed input. I do not want to do the whole week in town and weekend at home thing. Personally, no career is worth that kind of sacrifice to me and if it came to that I would with great regret give up my job and use the revolving door into industry where the whole issue goes away becaue I could easily find a private sector job closer to my current home. Its some sacrifice when I have about 30 years of working life to go though..

I am not a postcode snob and I realise that my budget would not afford me to be in any case. Woolwich seems a very long way from gentrification for me to consider it but I would not be put off by 'working class' areas as long as my wife and children felt comfortable going to the local park etc.

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oscarwilde · 10/06/2013 12:34

If there were a search engine that allowed you to search by minimum acceptable school grade and commute time it would be an instant hit ! Grin
I think my main point is that it is perfectly doable but will probably take quite a bit of work to find the right area/school combination. Berkshire has a reputation as a pricey area so perhaps you may not be giving up a nice vicarage on half an acre that I fantasise moving to the sticks for until I think about the 5am start I'd start with colleagues as Canary Wharf is tricky for transport links - to narrow down your search area and then focus on schools in those areas.

bringbackopalfruits · 10/06/2013 12:37

We live in Walthamstow and DH commutes to Canary Wharf in 40 mins. Would be less if he cycled. You can still, just, get a decent family home here for 450k.

oscarwilde · 10/06/2013 13:14

Apparently someone has. Grin
www.locrating.com/schoolsmap.aspx?search=London

Londonderrysue · 10/06/2013 13:23

It depends where you are in Woolwich. The Arsenal is full of professionals who work in Canary Wharf and the city, who commute up and down on the Clipper, and apart from a quick run across the road to Tesco never go any further into Woolwich than General Gordon Square.

I live in Plumstead Common, very nice area, very green, lots of space to run about, children's paly areas etc. House prices are very reasonable, your budget would get you a large 4-5 bedroom house. My neighbours have lived here for over 20 years, raised families and extended their houses to avoid having to move. No idea about schools, though I hear that Plumstead Manor is one of the better secondary schools in the borough.

I know people are put off by Woolwich as it's rough around the edges, and the incident the other week has not helped. But if you check out the crime statistics on the Met website it's not the hotspot that people think it is, Kensington and Chelsea has a higher violent crime rate than Woolwich. There's lots more building going on, lots of new flats being built above Tesco, and there's lots of large blocks planned for the rest of the Arsenal development, none of which are affordable for locals!

Ilovechorizo · 10/06/2013 13:40

Thanks Londonderrysue. i am very open minded and I think the best thing I can do is to take a few days to go walking around these different areas to get a feel for them.

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worsestershiresauce · 10/06/2013 13:49

Curve ball here, but how onside is your wife with this move? I assume she is ok with the idea, but how well does she know London?

If she is at home with the kids in a rural part of berkshire moving to London will be a massive culture shock. There just isn't the same quality of life. It takes longer to find friends, childcare options are a lot more expensive which may leave her pretty much stuck at home, and I've personally always found things like public sports centres, swimming pools and doctors to be much better in regional towns. Schooling is also a big issue, as good schools are very over subscribed and people go to all sorts of lengths to try and get a place. House prices often reflect catchment areas so you can end up over stretching yourself in the hope of getting a place somewhere reasonable.

I lived in London for 10 years and loved it, but I'd not have enjoyed it with kids.

allaflutter · 10/06/2013 13:59

Why not move to a village in proximity to Reading, that will only be up to an hour commute to Paddington! still Berkshire.
In London you'll be spending an hour at least each way on the tube/buses to a nice-ish area which you could afford for this budget. I wouldn't recommend it with THREE small kids and wife who all love the safe green location!

allaflutter · 10/06/2013 14:01

agree with worcester - quality of life will suffer hugely in a not-so-nice area with lots of concrete and blocks of flats, and the crowds too.

allaflutter · 10/06/2013 14:05

I've also lived in London for a long time (with no kids) - it's fun and great but even as a single you get tired of it periodically, just the numbers of people and distances. Wouldn't even consider with small kids unless could afford the best areas AND a good size house. If anything, it would make more sense to move when dc are teenagers.

Ilovechorizo · 10/06/2013 14:13

I know those are the downsides but there is no point moving to a village closer to Reading as it would only reduce commute by 20 minutes max.
Quality of life may suffer in some ways..in other ways my boys get to spend every evening with their daddy...
I am not decided and will explore the options

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allaflutter · 10/06/2013 14:15

I'm just surorised it's 2 hrs if you are quite near Reading, it's 25min on te train and driving from a village would be about 15? unless the trafiic is so horrendous? Just near in mind you'll still spend 1hr each way in London if living in suburbs.

allaflutter · 10/06/2013 14:15

bear in mind

allaflutter · 10/06/2013 14:21

of course you have to look at these options, but I hope your wife is coming along too, she may be not happy with what she sees, especially if they are well settled in a village. A little strange that your title says 'should I move', your DW would have a dramatic change of her daily life as she is stayig at home, so it's her decision as well.

MrsOakenshield · 10/06/2013 14:23

bear in mind that catchment areas (as such, they don't really exist but furthest distance kind of thing) for many London primary schools is minute, 300-400 metres in many cases. I think you would be lucky to get anything half-decent within zone 3 for that, to be honest, you would have to go pretty far out. But if you are in greater London, pretty much anywhere would take an hour of your commute each way (I've lived out in north west suburbs, commuting into the City, took about an hour).

Ilovechorizo · 10/06/2013 14:29

I work at Canary Wharf..thats 40 minutes from Paddington and if you get to Reading station at anytime before 7pm adn have to drive from the car park it will take you more than 15 minutes just to get out of the town centre.

adn yes, my wife will most definitely be coming with me when we look around iand if she is not 100% happy then it wont happen.

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allaflutter · 10/06/2013 14:35

well, at least Canary wharf isn't that bad from pont of view that you can but in SE London and there aer good links from there - towards Sydenham Forest hill, or beyond, that would take probably up to an hour but those areas are ok, not sure whether you can get a 3-bed, maybe if small garden and terrace of modest proportions.

allaflutter · 10/06/2013 14:37

look at Wanstead area, a bit away from station (would require some driving or bus). Prices are not too bad and it's family friendly, but a long way from the centre.

TerrysNo2 · 10/06/2013 14:58

What about lines that come into Waterloo, its quite quick on the Jubilee line to Canary Wharf then?

ComfortablyDumb · 10/06/2013 15:28

oscarwilde that's a great site. If I'd had that while I was looking I would nailed it a lot quicker!

mylittlepeas · 10/06/2013 15:42

I have the ideal place - we love it. Wanstead. It's super family friendly - great primary schools, secondaries are ok/ getting good (wanstead high school & Beal). it's on the central line - my husband commutes from work on the central line to Canary Wharf. You won't get a big property, we had to compromise and have a small garden, if you don't go for a period property you maybe ok. It's got a cute high street, villagey feel (people say hi to each other on the street), lots of families/ nurseries/ schools a park/ library. Warning - it's popular, but worth it.

bringbackopalfruits · 10/06/2013 15:43

Is anyone able to actually search that website, I just keep getting put through to f facebook as I can't get rid of the side panel from my phone

mylittlepeas · 10/06/2013 15:45

PM if you want further info on schools etc. It's got character/ it's friendly/ it feels like London but not...

bringbackopalfruits · 10/06/2013 15:45

Wanstead is lovely but you won't get much for your money, certainly not near a station. A friend recently sold a flat near the station for over 400k and is looking for
a three bed house with a budget way over 500k. it's pricey because it's so nice.