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Ready-to-move-in vs. 'project' house?! Aaargh - how to decide?!

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flow4 · 23/04/2013 00:26

I'm going round and round in circles, and just wonder whether any of you good people might have any information, ideas or opinions that might help me make some decisions... Confused Grin

I found a house I liked - not perfect, but very nice and practical, for £130k. It has a new, good quality kitchen and bathroom, but will need rewiring and a bit of patching up. Unfortunately (a) the vendor isn't ready to move and doesn't want to be hurried, and (b) it's probably only worth £125, and maybe not even quite that, since the local market is stagnant. I offered and was rejected, raised and was rejected again, and we've stalled... So I started looking again.

I'm thinking again about another house I saw last summer, but rejected at the time because it needs so much work. It will need a new kitchen, bathroom, a wall that has been put up in a silly place knocking down again, rewiring, a new gas CH/hot water system, and total redecoration. It's in a better location with a great, open view. It also has new windows and doors, compared with 10-15yo ones on the other house. It's on the market at £120, but has been for almost a year, so could probably be bought for £110-115k.

Both houses are ex-council 3 bed semis with garages, with good gardens, on similar sized patches, in different but nearby villages.

Other similar houses are to be found for around £130-140k, but I haven't seen any I like yet.

The question is, is £15k enough to do the work that the second house will need? I'm estimating costs as follows, with some work done at 'mates rates'...
Bathroom - £2k
Kitchen - £4k
Walls knocking down, possible RSJ and replastering - £4k
New boiler and system - £4k
Redecoration (labour and paint) - £1k
Do these figures sound reasonable? (I'm in Yorkshire btw).

Also, both houses will need rewiring; does anyone know what I should budget for that?

In my dreams, I'd also like a little garden room extension and an basic loft room... What sort of ball park figures should I pencil in?!

The other question, of course, is whether I can face taking on so much work! I don't know the answer to that one yet, so if anyone has any experiences they'd like to share of their own house projects, please do! (I would be able to stay in my current house while work is being done on a new one, for a month or so anyway).

Sorry for such a long post, and thank you if you've read all the way though... I'm a single parent, and need someone to talk all this through with really; but if you lot are happy to help, I might be able to stop my head exploding!

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flow4 · 29/04/2013 22:33

Well, I increased my offer to £115k and went out for the afternoon. Confused I came back to a msg from the EA saying that the other vendor had made exactly the same offer, and did I want to increase mine slightly to give myself the edge? It was too late to call them back... Not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing!
Thankfully I've had friends round this evening, so I haven't had a chance to fret about it!

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PastaBeeandCheese · 30/04/2013 08:52

Do you know the position of the other bidder?

flow4 · 30/04/2013 09:50

I have just spoken to the EA. They say the other bidder is in a position to proceed, has nothing to sell and has made a higher offer (they won't disclose what that is). Aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrg!

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AliceWChild · 30/04/2013 12:35

Sounds fishy. Not that it's any help. Sounds like a nightmare

AliceWChild · 30/04/2013 12:40

Actually saying that about fishy, I was just speaking to our agent (picking up keys so no need to lie to me now) and she said things are really picking up at moment where I am. Things on the market for ages are now selling. So could be true. I wouldn't make a decision on it not being so. Which is frustrating for you I know.

flow4 · 30/04/2013 12:42

It feels like a nightmare Alice! Confused
I know for sure there has been another offer, but I have no idea how much it is for or whether the bidders are really 'proceedable'...
Anyway, I have just increased my offer. No idea whether it will be enough. The EA said they would speak to the vendor and get back to me asap.
As I said, aAaaAAaaaaaAAAaaaarrrrrrrrrrg!

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doglover · 30/04/2013 12:45

Poor you, F4 Sad. What a nightmare!

AliceWChild · 30/04/2013 12:46

Remember at the end of that day, you won't remember these few thousand. And also remember I would never make a property tycoon. Wink But sat on my camp chair in my new house, I don't regret not getting that extra few k off the asking price. But if I hadn't got it it would have meant it wasn't for me Grin

flow4 · 30/04/2013 12:52

Haha, thank you for the smile! I feel all jangly and adrenaline-fired. Confused I want to go for a swim or something, but if I do, I won't be contactable (no signal in a pool-side locker!)
AaaAAaaaaaAAAaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrg!

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MmeLindor · 30/04/2013 13:44

Strangely enough, I have noticed that a few houses around here that have been on the market for over a year, suddenly have Under Offer signs up, so perhaps things are picking up.

Don't get drawn into a silly bidding war. There is no point offering more, if it means you will have to spend more than the house is worth to get it how you want it. Walk away. There will be another house on the market, and you can wait.

flow4 · 30/04/2013 15:57

Thanks MmeL. I set myself a ceiling before I made any offer (I won't say what it is or whether I'm at it yet, just in case) so I should be safe from that. I hope. Confused

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flow4 · 30/04/2013 16:31

Wooooooooo HOOoooOOOOOO! Grin Grin

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MmeLindor · 30/04/2013 16:38

And???? Did they accept?

flow4 · 30/04/2013 17:18

Yup! (I don't whoop like that for nothin' y'know!) Grin
I am feeling a bit shell-shocked tbh. I have spent so long not managing to buy a house that I can't quite believe I've succeeded!
And I can't get hold of my solicitor or my broker, so it doesn't quite feel real yet...
But still... Grin Grin

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doglover · 30/04/2013 17:41

EXCELLENT!! Smile

PastaBeeandCheese · 30/04/2013 17:46

At last I can wave my pom poms for you flow!

MmeLindor · 30/04/2013 18:02

Hurrah. That is brilliant. Congratulations.

flow4 · 30/04/2013 18:23

Thank you all! I am suddenly exhausted - I guess the adrenaline that has been keeping me going has subsided!

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mamapants · 30/04/2013 18:44

Excellent news!!
So exciting.
While I was waiting to complete on the house we've just bought I drove up there every day! Neighbours must think I'm barmy!
You can join us properly on the renovation thread now!

flow4 · 30/04/2013 19:43

So I can! Or maybe I ought to wait til exchange? And thanks!

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AliceWChild · 30/04/2013 19:55

Brilliant news! Grin

I walked past my house every day too. Sometimes more than once. The neighbours started to say hello.

flow4 · 30/04/2013 20:40

Thanks Alice. :) Well one of the good things about the house is that I used to job share with one of the people next door, in the other half of the semi! Nice people... So I know I won't have neighbour problems! Grin

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coffeewineandchocolate · 01/05/2013 12:38

hooray! sorry just catching up after a fun few days with ds

flow4 · 01/05/2013 19:16

It doesn't look so rosy today... :(
This morning the EA phoned me to say the other bidder had come back with a higher offer, and the vendor was inclined to accept it, unless I fancied raising my offer too...
I told them how annoyed I was, and said I felt misled...
When pressed, they admitted they hadn't actually yet received proof of funding/ability to proceed...
I told them I wouldn't even consider a raised offer until they had that, and they promised they were expecting it by the end of today, and promised to update me...
I came home to a message saying they had NOT received proof...

I'm really annoyed. Not only am I being messed around now, but also it means they misled me into raising my offer yesterday! Angry Angry Angry

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coffeewineandchocolate · 01/05/2013 19:38

I think I would be retracting my last offer and offering the initial amount as a best and final offer. I would also be making it very clear why.....
EA's can be snakes and its why I didn't get in a bidding war...