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Anyone familiar with Balham SW12?

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Jeezimacasalinga · 22/09/2012 14:44

Hoping that someone knowledgeable on here can help us out - we are looking at family houses (4/5 beds) in SW12, preferable Nightingale Triangle or Wandsworth Common side. Hoping to be near enough to Holy Ghost RC school for kids, entry in 2 years. If anyone knows this area and could tell me their likes/dislikes/alternatives I would really appreciate it!

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HeadFairy · 18/02/2013 16:46

OP, have you got a lot of money for not a lot of house? My sister lives just off Nightingale Sq, she does have four double beds and two bath rooms but her garden is the size of my dd's bedroom, it's tiny. And massively overlooked. But that said, it does seem a nice street, friendly neighbours etc. I used to live around the corner on Northcote Road. I did love the area, but to be honest after 12 years I was getting fed up of the Chelsea tractors and the braying hoorays who seemed to be taking over :o

My sisters dd's go to HG. Whilst it wouldn't be my first choice of school the girls seem happy enough. My sister has expressed reservations about some of the priests more, ahem, extreme views, and my sister is extremely devout. Secondary schools are worrying her though.. Her dd is y5 and she would like her to carry on having a Catholic education. Seems she's just out of the catchment of her favourite ones (mainly our old school in Croydon) and she's not keen on many of the others locally. I'm not sure why though. Having moved out of the area I haven't really kept up with the schools in the area.

Mind you the SE is so overcrowded I think access to decent secondary schools is pretty limited. Down here on Surrey/Sussex borders we're going to have to move to within a mile of a decent secondary to have a hope of getting in.

HeadFairy · 18/02/2013 16:46

Sorry, forgot to say my sister's house is worth about £850k.

HeadFairy · 18/02/2013 16:52

this is in my sister's road Perhaps £850k was on the low side if you need £750 for this. Maybe nearer £900k for a fully extended refurbished house.

HeadFairy · 18/02/2013 17:02

That said, Wandsworth common is lovely, ds spent his first 18 months practically living in the playgrounds and the 1 o'clock club there. Good transport links to central London. Northcote Road shops used to be really lovely, being taken over a bit now by the more up market chains, less of the quirky independent traders (I hope to God Hamish the cheeseman is still there but the lovely printers who did my wedding invitations are long gone :( )

lalalonglegs · 18/02/2013 20:26

Wow, I take the kids out for the day and look what kicks off Grin.

I can actually see why rarfs thought I might be hypocritical but the truth, as usual, is a little more complicated. She (I'm assuming rarfs is female) is right that I was extremely disappointed that my daughter didn't get into HG in 2008, I did indeed think that it was a lovely school when I visited it for an hour. I was very impressed by the children who showed me around and liked the school's cosy atmosphere and I either did not notice or chose to ignore - hard to say which - some of the signs that its extreme religiosity and slight uptightness might mean it was not the right school for me to send my children to. At the time, I thought I was Catholic enough to cope with the school but it turns out I am not nearly Catholic enough. The Reflections on Christ's Passion Day kind of confirmed why it would have been a very bad fit for my family and, I believe, anyone who isn't a very devout and very traditional Catholic would struggle with it. (It took place in 2009 and I assure you that it was not a play and not limited to KS2 - it was every child that attended school on that day dressed all in black reading sections of the gospels and chanting - I wish I had the imagination to make this sort of thing up. Perhaps the school authorities realised retrospectively that it was OTT and have decided not to repeat it.) There have been other episodes that I have heard about from parents there that make me thankful that my daughter does not attend (incidentally she was later offered a place which we declined).

I think I may also have been guilty of buying into the hysteria that is rife in the area - and which I am sure rarfs will confirm exists - which dictates that, unless your child goes to HG (or one of the paid-for preps), they are going to have a very second rate education.

More generally, I think I was also misinformed about what it meant for a school to be voluntary aided. It was only much later that I found out that the state pays for the overwhelming majority of costs of these schools yet the schools get to dictate admissions along very, very narrow lines. In my ignorance, I thought that the church contributed far more generously and that was the reason that they could select pupils and have such an influence on the schools with which they are associated (an impression which, to be fair, the schools don't do anything to disabuse people of). I was genuinely outraged when I found out about that.

Since 2007 when we applied for HG, there have been things that have made me more and more uncomfortable with the Catholic Church, largely the way in which the authorities and the serving priests seemed unable to speak out about the horrific child abuse revelations while being all too ready to condemn consenting gay adults for their sexuality. rarfs is wrong to say that I stopped going to mass: I stopped going at HG because I found the priest who was there until recently so appalling. I found out that he was a very enthusiastic supporter of Opus Dei and he said some awful things in the pulpit as well as some awful things to me personally (not attacks on me in any way but just things that made me think . One choice one was: "You should be careful not to have too many non-Catholic friends" Hmm.) I think he was an extremely controlling man and I was very glad that he has gone - good luck to whichever parish he's rolled up at. I think rarfs and I are probably in agreement that he was a little woo-hoo as she says in her post "Under the new (my empahsis) parish priests, the Holy Ghost parish is no more or less traditional than any other Catholic parish of my experience." Perhaps I should go down and see how the new priests are but, ironically given the number of families that attend there, I have always found it to be a very child-unfriendly church. Incidentally, I heard that the HT was also leaving HG but cannot, for the life of me, remember who told me this so did I imagine it?

So to summarise what has turned into quite an epic post while I was certainly disappointed not to get my daughter into HG five years ago, I have since turned down a place there and am quite relieved she never attended. I went out with a HG parent last week who was saying this very thing and also said that, although she is far more religious than I am, she is not 100% happy with the level of devoutness that seems to be a requisite at the school. I have found out a bit more about how church schools are funded and am disgusted that they are able to control admissions so effectively on what are largely historical contributions to schools. This makes me generally opposed to schooling which draws its intake from an exclusive pool - we wouldn't (I hope) want to segregate along religious lines in other walks of life, after all.

I've read through the thread and I have a couple more points to make: it seems a little disingenuous for rarfs to say that she means me no malice when she accuses me of hypocrisy, sour grapes and bitterness and has trawled the site searching for comments - that's a little bit personalised and, frankly, a bit creepy. As a first time poster - and not a measured and reasonable one such as me (modest Blush), she might like to think about how she presents herself on other threads. Second, I sniffed the merest suggestion that she felt that Quint and Piglet and I were in some sort of MN insiders gang, all sworn to defending each other against apparent newcomers however sensible and persuasive their posts. Not the case, I am genuinely surprised - and a little bit flattered - that they felt it necessary to step in at all. I completely agree with everyone who has said that the point of MN is that we can all share our opinions and thoughts - it is often the most interesting place on the web.

lala x

PureQuintessence · 18/02/2013 20:52

Who'd thought there would be a ruckus in Property/diy!

FlouncingMintyy · 18/02/2013 20:58

Hey lala, I have friends in Bracken Ave.

Strange old to-do this thread, isn't it?

bamboostalks · 18/02/2013 21:07

My friend did a supply day there and said it was the nicest school she had ever taught at! With really lovely children and welcoming staff.

therugratref · 18/02/2013 21:10

I have lived in balham for many years. It is great. Other good schools in Balham are Henry Cavendish and Ravenstone and telferscot if you want cosy. The Hyde farm is a lovely area, very family friendly and lots of people know each other. Property is expensive in any of the catchments for those schools.

lalalonglegs · 18/02/2013 21:12

Ooh, I have a friend in Bracken Ave - does her name start with V?

FlouncingMintyy · 18/02/2013 21:55

Gay male couple, Lala.

lalalonglegs · 18/02/2013 22:08

Yeah, don't think they'd fit in at HG either - maybe we can start a gang Grin?

PigletJohn · 18/02/2013 23:34

I'm always savaging people. Noted for it. So thanks for the invitation to "feel free to savage away."

rarfs · 19/02/2013 00:47

Lala - I am glad you have been able to state your position so clearly. Those who have been following this thread (God help them!) will have seen that my original comments were aimed at asking for honesty and context in relation to your original post. Perhaps, late at night, emotion and inexperience got the better of me in the way i presented my point - for which I apologise - but I do not think I deserved the response that I received from some quarters. For the record, I am not a stalker, nor did I trawl around for comments you had made. I came across them all by chance. You need not worry about being trailed around the Nightingale Triangle any time soon...

Finally, i should say, that as many of your negative experiences of both the parish and the school are old ones or received indirectly, please do follow your own suggestion to revisit the church in the coming months. The new priests so far seem very nice and, at their own initiative, keen to make a lot of family-friendly changes (some quite significant). Also, as a mother of several children at different ends of the school, I can say it has given my children a great education and.- although it may not be for everyone - I would heartily recommend it.

Greeneyedmum · 19/02/2013 01:25

I used to live in the nightingale triangle and am now in Singapore. I loved it and miss it terribly! The vibe is lovely and lots of friendly mums around. We also wanted to get into HG but found it too extreme. Before moving to Balham we used to enjoy going to church but just couldn't cope with HG. Our son went to Hornsby House in the end, which was lovely but the fees were a bit unsustainable for us....one of the reasons we left. If you are buying a house try to choose one with a south facing garden.

Flossiechops · 19/02/2013 07:44

headfairy that shit hole for £750k

herethereandeverywhere · 19/02/2013 10:12

That shithole will be snapped up and developed in a second! £900k for fully developed on that road if you're talking about the very smallest of the stock. Friends recently sold a converted 3 bed (loft has 4th bedroom) no side return extension, tidy but nothing wow for over £1m v.close by. Demand massively outstrips supply over there. Another friend has been outbid twice at sealed bids buying in the same area.

herethereandeverywhere · 19/02/2013 10:17

I disagree with south-facing garden. It bakes the back of the property where most of the bedrooms are all day and they also take the direct sun at kids bedtime and there is no-where to hide the kids from the heat! It's very hard-going unless you're a committed sunworshipper - south-facing for that kind of property is very over-rated IMO.

I favour east/west properties (our garden is west-facing). Sun doesn't bake on any side of the house all day (as we're also terraced). It does shine in the back at kids bed times but hasn't been there all day so all least all the intense heat is out of it. We get plenty of sun (check for neighbouring trees!, there are none for us) but there's enough shade for a safe haven for kids in the summer. I have a south facing wall and boarder for summer plants too.

Flossiechops · 19/02/2013 11:15

£900k omg ShockShockShockShock

mashpot · 19/02/2013 11:58

I know this isn't either the time or the place but conversations like this make me even more bemused about religion.

Greeneyedmum · 19/02/2013 15:15

We loved our south facing garden and only two of the 5 bedrooms were at the back, facing south. We were never baking....this is England we are talking about, right....? Each to their own but IMO, south facing is worth the premium.

Pud2 · 05/01/2014 18:30

Would be interested in an update on this thread. OP, are you still considering Holy Ghost? Also interested on any up to date opinions on the school and church, now that the new Parish Priest has been in place for a while. I see that the school has had a recent OFSTED which judged it to be 'outstanding'.

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