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Moving to Canterbury area, rent or buy, buy or rent -

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shinybaubles · 29/02/2012 10:29

Hi
We're currently living overseas are will be returning to the UK in July Grin, and will be moving hopefully to somewhere nearby Canterbury. We are trying to decide whether to rent or buy, should we rent while we look for a house - if so I am worried as I hear landlords in the UK quite often kick you out after 6 months ( not ideal with children) , and I can only find one or two houses to rent in the Canterbury everything is a student let? Another problem with renting is credit checking - and since we have no history in the UK how would this work, could we just offer a years rent in advance? Any advice welcome?

Or should we just buy straight away and avoid renting, not sure how often we can visit the UK to view houses etc and most of it would be done online. It seems the more stable solution. Can anyone advise on how long it takes between making an offer that is accepted and moving into the house, so I can get an idea on when we should start looking?

Any other useful tips really appreciated.

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Rhubarbgarden · 29/02/2012 10:34

I think trying to buy from overseas would be a real pita. I would rent initially. If you don't have anywhere to sell, I should think you'd be able to find a house, buy it and move in within six months so you shouldn't have to worry about a landlord wanting you out after your initial contract period. I've no idea about credit references, try asking some letting agents what they advise in your situation?

shinybaubles · 29/02/2012 10:37

Thanks Rhubarb - that's an eye opener - I was estimating 6 weeks from offer accepted to moving in. We have nothing to sell. I was hoping we could find something by the end of June early July and move in by the end of summer.

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seeker · 29/02/2012 10:40

Have you any idea where you want to live? There are lots of lovely villages in the area, but you really need to see them and think about how the travelling will pan out. Reasonably priced rented places in Canterbury tend to get snapped up by students, but there are lots of places to rent in Faversham, for example, which is about 10 miles from Canterbury, with very good public transport connections.

shinybaubles · 29/02/2012 10:44

Hi seeker, thanks for replying.
Not really any specific idea we are lucky in that dh works from home and has to get to London occasionally not enough for it be a deciding factor in a house. We can go up to 2k a month for rent but need 4 bedrooms, or we can buy at about 300k now or wait a year and buy at 400k minus what we have spent on rent.
Is Faversham nice, can you recommend any nice villages so I can have a browse online.

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Rhubarbgarden · 29/02/2012 10:49

Oh it's perfectly possible to do it within six weeks. I simply meant that you shouldn't need to worry about a landlord chucking you out after your initial six months contract, because you would have enough time to buy.

shinybaubles · 29/02/2012 10:56

Thanks Rhubarb - was about to go into full panic mode.
If anyone else has any tips about the area or areas to avoid I would love to hear them.

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seeker · 29/02/2012 11:06

Have a look at Boughton, for example.

Faversham is a nice enough little town- I suggested it because it's a good base for looking from. It has everything you would need, and is nicely central. Have you thought about schools?

shinybaubles · 29/02/2012 11:12

Hi seeker I have thought about schools we have applied to two private schools in Canterbury but I don't hold out much hope of ds getting in as they want to assess him and he is intelligent, but where I live they don't do formal education until 6 years. So may well have to find a good primary school - it's all so difficult doing it from outside the country - and I really want to disrupt ds as little as possible as he has lived in 5 houses in three countries since he was born and he is not yet 6 - crap mother Sad .

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musttidyupmusttidyup · 29/02/2012 11:27

Assuming you Have tried rightmove and prime location? There are some... especially if you are prepared to go out of town.
Am happy to advise on location/ local schools if you pm me.
It's a nice part of the world!

shinybaubles · 29/02/2012 12:01

Thankyou musttidyup will pm you as and advise is welcome

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seeker · 29/02/2012 12:02

Also happy to offer an insider view!

shinybaubles · 29/02/2012 12:06

Should I pm you too seeker or would you rather do it on here? Thanks for the offer

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PattiMayor · 29/02/2012 12:10

If it's any consolation, I'd lived in seven houses in three countries by the time I was six and I've turned out alright (well, from my perspective :o)

Chilham is a lovely village. If you can, try and find somewhere on the West side of Canterbury as the fast trains to London go from Canterbury West (there are two stations).

I would call a couple of estate agents and see what kind of security they will require to rent, which you'd be much better off doing initially. If your DH is transferring internally within a company, they should be able to offer some support and advice (as well as providing evidence of his earnings, security of employment etc).

EmmaNicole · 29/02/2012 12:13

I used to live in a little village called Painters Forstal just outside Faversham. It's a lovely part of the world. There are a few houses for sale in the village at the moment and there is a private school there too. There's not much in the village except a pub which did good food but it's only a couple of miles into Faversham.

StillSquiffy · 29/02/2012 12:15

School bit first, as this impacts the house bit.

I can imagine which two schools you have applied for. The assessments for both schools are not rigourous academic ones if he is due to enter yr 1 or yr 2 in September - both schools will take him round, have him spend time in class and make sure he is (a) someone likely to fit in (and if he's a run of the mill child that won't be a problem) and (b) someone likely to enjoy it. If they do do a test it will only be to make sure there isn;t a significant issue.

What might be a future problem is that there is a big step up to yr 3 in one of the schools (the more expensive one) and if he were to go straight in at that age to the school then he would have to sit a full-on entrance test. But if he is already in the pre-prep they don't do a test any more - there are only around 11 children in each class so they know the kids inside out.

Sometimes, if a child is bright, but is behind (eg due to dyslexia) they may suggest the child stays down a year but in your case, even if he was behind in terms of schooling I am sure they'd just get him up to speed quickly - I've seen them do miracles with children who don't speak any English at all. It's pretty unlikely they'd suggest a repeat year.

So.... unless you think your DS is really a bit thick then the schools will all be fine. If he really is not even vaguely bright (only you can tell), then you may want to avoid the more expensive school because there is a (very small) risk that they may suggest he move to another school at the Yr 3 stage (to my knowledge this has only been done once in last 3 years, and that was for a child with SN who was clearly struggling). AFAIK neither of the other two private schools would move out/refuse a child on purely academic grounds.

The reason that impacts school is because the more expensive one has a minibus system (I don't think the other ones do - could be wrong) which pick up children (age 3 upwards) from the outlying villages. It's a godsend if you want to live further out than the city centre. It only runs in the mornings but is very handy. Boughton and Faversham for example have both been mentioned and I am sure they are on the bus routes. The school can give you details.

Where to live - Faversham, Canterbury West, Wye and Ashford are the key stations to go for - other train stops link into these stations but you have to switch trains/wait/take slower trains which can significantly add to the journeys. So I'd advise you choose within commuting distance of one of these stations. Boughton is a nice village as someone has mentioned already. Faversham is OK too but I prefer the villages rather than the town centre. Whitstable and Herne Bay are also other options. Wye is a fabulous choice (there is an escorted train service for kids to the more expensive school so you can drop DS at the station and the school has it's own carriage on the train with teachers accompanying the kids)

If you choose a state school then Blean and Selling become good village options for a house - and I am sure there are others. The good schools might however be oversubscribed (esp. Blean).

Although I bought a house round here when I lived abroad without any problem, I'd recommend renting first. It could be a long hunt if you are looking for a rental, though, and you will need to snap something up the minute it becomes available - price isn't a problem but availability is - I reckon about 1/3 of the parents at one of the schools are non-locals who move to the area because of the school and the train links to London, and all of them tend to want to rent initially. Demand is high but your budget gets you a very good standard of housing if you can find the property. Whitstable is probably a good option because there are lots of holiday homes there and downturn may have meant people needing to rent them out instead of using them themselves.

The schools you are looking at both have newsletters, so once you pick the school you could ask if they'd put in an ad for you asking if anyone knows of a good rental property - the school parents are the families who will be moving out of nice rented family properties because they have settled into the area and bought their own.

Blimey. that was an epic.

shinybaubles · 29/02/2012 12:16

Nice to hear Patti as I was begining to think I was setting some kind of world record with all the moving - which has to stop.

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shinybaubles · 29/02/2012 12:36

stillsquiffy - that was a brilliant epic many thanks.
He is intelligent - not a genius but is in amongst the top of his class. He doesn't have any special needs - maybe he stands a chance then - I really hope so. Going to school on a train would be his idea of heaven. One way to sell the move if he gets in Wink. And very helpful info reagarding villages and rentals - you have cheered me up a bit.

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shinybaubles · 29/02/2012 13:23

Thanks EmmaNicole, am going to make a list of all the places people have recommended, for my online searching.

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seeker · 29/02/2012 13:27

Bear in mind that unless you intend to go independent all the way through, the "best" ( matter of opinion, I know!) grammar school for boys is in Canterbury!

shinybaubles · 29/02/2012 13:33

Seeker thankyou for that, I have two boys actually and didn't even know there was a grammar school in Canterbury.
Do you have any other useful info - I am really eager to hear anything from anyone on the ground or at least in the right country.

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seeker · 29/02/2012 13:38

If you are going to use the state system, this bit of Kent is wholly selective at 11+, with children being allocated secondary schools based on a test taken at the beginning of year 6. Simon Langton Boys in Canterbury is considered by many (including itself!) to be the best of the best. But it is very hard to get in, and living quite close to it would be a wise move.

shinybaubles · 29/02/2012 13:59

Thanks Seeker will google the school you mention.

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StillSquiffy · 29/02/2012 16:35

I second seeker's view. My DC's are in private at the moment but if my son shows any aptitude towards the sciences in the next year or so, I could be sorely tempted to try to get him through the 11+ and into the Langton.

As of 2013 they are changing the admission criteria though, so it will be harder to get into the Langton academically (they are however widening the catchment area)

Bear in mind that if you want to start private and then switch to state later for the (very good) grammars then you will need to have your DS's privately tutored - it's not in the private school's interest to have kids sit the 11+ so they don't teach 'to it' whereas all the state primaries prepare kids very well. Normally only a handful sit the exam from the private schools because of this.

shinybaubles · 29/02/2012 16:55

stillsquiffy thanks for that - I have been looking and can't find any info about what the catchement area is do you know? I am probably being a bit dim.Blush
Can I ask if you are happy with the school your dc attend as I went on a visit to one of the private schools in Canterbury and the head scared me tbh.

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seeker · 29/02/2012 17:00

The catchment varies from year to year so they don't publish it. This year I think it was about 7 miles from the school. There are private schools in Canterbury that do prepare for the 11+ - but the area is crawling with tutors!