Best painted kitchen

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I would like to fit a new kitchen that is painted so that I can change the colours in the future. I know John Lewis do it, also that there are loads of hand painted kitchens available - any recommendations?

Teta, how is your pineland kitchen - it must be in by now? Very interested as we're now seriously thinking of ordering one from there! Are the drawers soft close? Any niggles? Have you painted it yet? Overall thoughts?

Any other pineland opinions?

Thanks!

The kitchen looks good{[but parts have had to be removed as we decided to plasterboard and skim old ceiling and found steel beam in ceiling wasn't supporting anything and so took that out [builder is getting a bit tetchy as he wants to start next job]}.Yes there were a few problems but Pineland have very kindly sorted them out.The drawers on metal runners work perfectly and are soft close.The deep drawers either side of the cooker did not work as we couldn't source metal runners small enough and hence had to be changed into cupboards.There is a lot of work in staining and oiling the inside and painting the outside.One tip is to really double-check the plan and your measurements and changes [because we had loads].Secondly you need a really good carpenter to fit as the legs are not adjustable and most house have uneven floor and walls.When i get it painted [by the end of next week] i will take some photos.

Thanks teta I was wondering how it was going too , looking forward to the pictures.

We're all so nosey! Seriously though it's invaluable to hear other people's experiences when you think you're after something quite similar. From what you're saying it seems all fine from Pineland's end but these processes are never as straightforward as we hope? Also looking forward to your pics - good luck with the remaining bits.

Oh, meant to ask do Pineland offer painted units as an option? Not that I'm lazy or anything... Also a deadline for getting them painted would avoid the mindboggling myriad patches of paint I normally end up with.

No,its definately not a straight-forward process.Putting in an Ikea kitchen is much easier.But i don't think the Pineland kitchen will date and i really wanted the traditional country kitchen look.No sadly Pineland do not offer the painted option.They also do not measure the kitchen up for you.Hence alot of the work is done by you [plus a builder/painter].
Her Honesty did you use F&B estate eggshell?.I think i would rather use the original colours,but i also need a hard-wearing finish.F&B advised against varnishing on top but said the estate eggshell is a really hard-wearing finish.

Just on the F&B estate eggshell, we did our front door in that finish and ended up repainting a few months later in little greene paint company in a matching colour. Their eggshell is still oil based rather than water and it went on better and has lasted better. I also have huge built in wardrobes and a stool in estate eggshell also which have knocked with just a few months use. It looks ok as they are in a bedroom but I must admit I can't imagine that finish in my kitchen. Maybe it's just my children though as loads of people do have it....

There is an interesting article on a site run by a bloke who paints traditional kitchens for a living on this which seems to back up my annecdotal point. It's called www.traditionalpainter.com

Finally - I did then matt vanish over my stool and it looks fine. Also when companies spray kitchen doors in F&B they use vanish over the top. It won't look as country but you won't have to touch up as often I suppose.

thanks for the mention. I recently wrote a blog addressing some of the points raised here - points which come up time and again in the course of my work.

traditionalpainter.posterous.com/observations-on-hand-painted-kitchens

hope it helps

Had domsjo in our kitchen for four years, absolutely no problem with it. And I'm clumsy!

AC that was an interesting blog. When I painted my kitchen back in 1999, I was painting over some old varnished pine doors and used primer, F&B undercoat and F&B oil eggshell as it then was. It was pretty durable when it was finished. It seems that paint finishes on offer have changed quite a bit since then.

It's true about it being a mammoth job- 4-5 coats on all sides of everything and a day for each to dry. Like respraying a car.

It is an undertaking and a half.

Interesting about your reference to the quality of paint. The advance in primers over recent years has been amazing, now many companies have some sort of high adhesion primer that really works. Mythic and Classidur water based primers are exceptional.

Oil gloss across the board has gone down hill fast since 2010 VOC laws (white is yellowing fast and the undercoats are too shiny). Water based gloss wont discolour but still hasnt got the high gloss that customers (and us painters) expect.

On the other hand, water based eggshell has now come close to oil based eggshell in terms of coverage and consistency, just slightly more plastic sheen. I suspect Little Greene oil eggshell will stay the benchmark for quality eggshell paint. It is an outstanding paint and I know several DIYers were blown away by their own results.

acmasterpainter... really interesting stuff - you just don't get this level of knowledge when you go to paint/diy shops!

I had noticed how our gloss yellowed quickly but it never even occured to me that it's because paint quality and formulations have changed!

We are now in a quandry re what kitchen to get - if you could choose between people supplying in a) all pine or b) oak veneered mdf carcass and tulipwood door with mdf centre panel, what would you go for? Quality of construction etc seems equal.

Also, what's your view on the suppliers spraying the units? I want a hand painted look rather than shiney factory produced look.

I have used this paint for my handpainted kitchen but had it mixed in a farrow and ball colour.I was advised to handpaint not spray paint as it is then much eadier to touch up which we do in the odd bit that takes the most wear(we make the effort to touch it up one a year.Fantastic paint and kitchen still looks great 2/12 years on

Elegant Aqua Lackfarg 40

( Beckers )

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Elegant Aqua Lackfag Halvblank is a satin, water soluble, acrylic latex based paint intended for painting of interior woodwork.

Elegant Aqua Lackfag Halvblank is designed for use on all types of interior woodwork, both new and previously painted surfaces. It has a very low odour during painting and drying. It is easy to apply with excellent hiding and levelling abilities and is able to adhere to surfaces previously painted with oil or alkyd paint. Nonyellowing. There are also considerably less thermoplastics so it can even be used in storage areas.

TECHNICAL DATA

BINDER - Acrylic latex.
SOLVENT- Water.
THINNING- Water.
COVERAGE- 8-10m2 /litre.
TOOLS Brush- roller or spray gun.
CLEANING OF TOOLS- Use water.
TIME TO RECOAT- Wait about 8 hours at a temperature of 23C and 50%humidity.
DRYING TIME- Tack-free after 4 hours at a temperature of 23C and 50%humidity.
GLOSS- Abot 70 gloss units.
COLOUR RANGE- White, can be tinted in the Beckers Colour System.
FLAMMABILITY- Non-flammable.
STORAGE- Store above freezing.

sorry didnt see your last request for info! I would say veneered carcass and tulipwood and MDF doors for painting.

Spraying is fine for primer coats in the factory. And then 3 coats by brush in situ , you get the ideal combination for the look and durability you are after. I tend to use an undercoat plus 2 oil based topcoats, but a lot of painters use 3 topcoats. The end result is the same.

You have to be careful with F&B eggshell because you are obliged to use their undercoat with their eco eggshell. No other paint brand I know of is so prescriptive. ie I would never expect an issue using brand A undercoat with brand B topcoats.

As ii have said its not rocket science,3 coats each side,start with albany undeeercoat,available from Brewers of Swindon tinted to as near as the final coat in colour,sand well using p180 grit paper especially in all the little corners then you can apply first coat of Fand B estate eggshell,now most people will say that you should not mix oil primered kitchen doors/frames with a water based eggshell topcoat,the only reason for this is that the normally high sheen level of oil undercoats has prevents the water based eggshell from taking to the undercoat,but by using a low sheen/very matt undercoat any compatability problems will be alleviated,this will seal all the wood and mdf surfaces and give you an incredibly smooth surface which will give you a superior finish,their will be no sign of graining or absorbsion on the tulip wood parts and no sign whatsoever of particles in the mdf parts of the doors.oh an dont forget to nicely sand the second coat,I use a sponge filled pad or block about a p240 grit or you can use your old used pieces of p180 that you put in the bin,paint each flat surface seperately,first paint the centre panel then the top then the two sides and then the bottom panel,the edges,leave to dry flip over then do the other side,remember paint each individual surface seperately and wipe off any excess overlap with a cloth before it dries otherwise it will show.ok

I have just taken delivery of a painted Pineland Kitchen. It's fabulous! The company are a delight to deal with. They will make whatever you want in any F&B colour. I can't believe we have such a beautiful kitchen for the price we paid. In a former life we had a Martin Moore kitchen which was also excellent but much more expensive.

Dogwalker2 and Teta - do you have any pictures of your pineland kitchens? Thinking of getting one for a new extension.

Also acmasterpainter - what do you suggest for a painted finish that looks smooth and contemporary? Hand or factory painted? If hand, what process should a pine kitchen go through for painting, primer, undercoat topcoats? What if wanting to use an F&B colour?

Thanks

Can anyone advise on experiences with the following companies for a painted kitchen?
Neptune & Classic Kitchens Direct
Have narrowed search down to these two but would love to hear others experiences

Can anyone advise on experienecs with either of the following please?
I am close to making a decision, but just want some reassuarnce
*Neptune www.neptune.com
*Classic kitchens Direct www.classic-kitchens-direct.com