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Dumbledoresgirl · 05/02/2011 21:10

I posted this in legal matters, but it occurred to me some property developers or similar might know the answer too. Sorry about length!

The main drain from our house keeps blocking up, currently about once every 3-4 months. Raw sewage fills all the inspection pits on our property, sometimes sewage has leaked out, and at least one of our loos fails to flush properly when the back up has got really bad.

We have had the drain cleared each time, of course, and last summer, having spent a long time on home renovations and an extension, finally had the drain surveyed to find out what was causing the repeated blockages. It turns out, just as our drain meets the public sewer, but, and this is critical, still at the point that it is our responsibility and not the water board's, there are tree roots growing through a join in the clay pipe. Obviously, as the roots grow, the drain will block more frequently.

Now, here's the problem: the point at which our drain meets the public sewer is actually under our neighbour's drive. Last summer, we informed him of the situation and sought his go ahead to get the problem fixed. We are talking about one, possibly 2 days' work. The drainage company would have to dig down from our neighbour's drive, locate the drain, and put a plastic sheath around the clay pipe which tree roots would be unable to penetrate. They would then back fill the hole and tarmac over the spot, meaning our neighbour will have a tarmac patch on his existing tarmac drive.

We appreciate this will not look that pretty, but having had our own tarmac drive dug up recently to have a gas supply fitted, I know that the patch effect soon becomes unnoticable. We also appreciate that there will be some inconvenience to our neighbours, in that their drive may be out of action for a day or two. We would be quite happy to allow them to park on our drive if that was an issue for them.

But, the neighbour has refused point blank to allow us to do the work. Initially, he stalled by saying he thought the quote we had had for the work was too cheap and therefore a good enough job would not be done. He also said the responsibility for the job lay with the water board.

Obligingly, we got the water board out hoping they would say it was indeed their responsibility as they then have the right to do the work with or without the neighbour's permission. They even told us they would do it there and then if it proved to be their responsibility. Unfortunately, we were right and the neighbour was wrong: it was not the water board's responsibility as the tree roots are coming through our drain just before the main sewer.

Thinking then that the neighbour had objected to us choosing a cheap quote, we decided to ask our home insurers if the job was covered by our policy, and thus get the job done by a more expensive contractor. Our insurers told us the job was covered by our policy, but when they tried to get permission from the neighbour to go ahead with the work, he again refused point blank.

Our insurers then suggested we tried Environmental Health at our local council. Apparently, in certain situations, they too can insist the work is done and can override any objections the neighbour has. Unfortunately, in our case, they said they couldn't act because it wasn't an environmental health issue. Well, I don't know about that: having raw sewage backing up your drains and sometimes leaking out of the inspection pit, and being unable to flush a loo because of the backlog might be considered a threat to our environmental health. But anyway...

Environmental Health also contacted the neighbour who then started playing silly games. He told them he was perfectly willing for the work to go ahead but he needed 24 hour access up his drive as a disabled person used his drive, and when the work was finished, instead of a tarmac patch covering the hole dug, he wanted the whole drive re-tarmaced. Re the disabled person: there is no disabled person living in his house. It is him, his wife and daughter. None of them are disabled. He is friendly with another of his neighbours who, according to my dh, is slow on his feet although I have never noticed this. Their gardens are linked by a little gate, but if this is the disabled person he is referring to, his house is actually on another road and he has perfect access to his house from his road ? no need to use our neighbour's drive at all. As for re-tarmacing his whole drive! If I explain that our neighbour's house was originally built as a granny annexe to our house back in the 1930s, and is located at what would have been the bottom of our very large garden and his drive runs all the way up the length of our property....I don't know, we could be talking 100 feet or more....there is no way it would be acceptable to our insurers or financially possible for us to tarmac the whole length for the sake of a patch I guess will be 2 feet square at most. So it is clear that despite telling the council he is willing for us to do the work, he is actually not at all willing and has done nothing but put obstacle after obstacle in our way.

So this is the question I want to ask (finally!) what rights do we have? Surely we must have some right to drainage from our property? We need to find the body who will force our neighbour to allow us to do the work we need to do. We know the water board can force him and Environmental Health can force him but neither body will do so. Is there anyone else who will act for us so we can fix this problem? Or what is the position legally with getting work done on ones property when it involves a neighbour's property too?

Please help. Dh and I are desperate to know how to proceed.

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said · 05/02/2011 22:11

I'd go and see a solicitor and see if you can get them to send a letter telling him what "must" be done and point out that the neighbour's demands are unreasonable

LittlePushka · 05/02/2011 22:31

The first thing you should do is to check your title deeds/title information document ( or ask the solicitor whom you instructed in the purchase) and see if you have a right of entry on your neighbours land. Usually when estates are laid out, conduits serving one property but which lie or run over another, there are clauses with mutual rights of access on notice to maintain and repair or replace, and obligations to make good any damage you cause in exercising that right.

Your solicitor ought to be able to do this either from the documents in your possession or from those in hers. If neither of you have the information and the property is registered at the Land Registry, a copy of your title is immedeately available for a small fee. (land registry website is helpful)

wudbee · 05/02/2011 22:38

OP sorry to drift but can I ask how much it will cost big apology for beng nosey just someone I know knows someone in similar position who is worried.

Dumbledoresgirl · 05/02/2011 23:03

Wudbee, do you mean what it would cost to repair drain? Ours are quite deep as the land is higher at the point where they digging would have to be done than the land the house is on. So we were told it would 2 days' work (usually would be one day's work) and the cost we were quoted was something like £600 per day (plus VAT).

But, as I said, our neighbour seems to think that is rather cheap Hmm

Thanks for the advice so far. On the legal thread, someone told me we could apply to the court under the Access to Neighbouring Land Act 1992. I have checked that act, and it would seem we have a right to go on the land and make repairs to existing property (it specifically mentions drains). I am worried though about incurring legal costs by going to court.

I am trying to find the deed that relates to when our neighbours' house was built but we have a file full of legal documents dating back to the nineteenth century and all of them fairly impenetrable to one not accustomed to legal terms. I think though, at the time, the whereabouts of the drain was not known (though why not, I don't know).

LittlePushka, sorry for my ignorance, but what do you mean by "your title". I thought that meant the document that proves you own the property. Does it mean anything else? How would it help?

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LittlePushka · 05/02/2011 23:31

Sorry, by title I mean check the title deeds and documents which relate to your house.You title shows you own your interest in your property but it also shows any rights and obligations or restictions that go with it.

Any rights that you have may have to enter your neighbours land arising through your title (as opposed to any you have by way of statute, such as the Act you mention), will be revealed in your own title documents rather than those of your neighbour.

That is your first port of call. I would also recommend avoiding (if possible) an action involving this legislation - for your situation it is a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

From where are the roots likely to emanate?

Dumbledoresgirl · 06/02/2011 10:12

I have ordered a copy of our title deeds online, thanks for explaining that LittlePushka.

The roots come from one of our trees or possibly a hedge (tree seems more likely though), but definitely ours as that bit of the neighbour's property is just tarmac drive.

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emsyj · 06/02/2011 15:43

Check your home insurance policy or call your insurer as you may be covered for legal expenses for issues like this. Lots of policies have this cover so it's worth checking. You would probably be referred to a solicitor on the insurer's panel for initial advice.

Dumbledoresgirl · 06/02/2011 18:00

emsyj, I don't think we do have legal cover with our insurers. I will check again, but I think I remember seeing when I first contacted the insurers that that option had not been chosen.

The insurers seem to be holding up their hands saying there is nothing they can do while our neighbour is being so unhelpful.

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emsyj · 06/02/2011 18:06

That's a bugger. Hope you make some sense of the title documents (with the help of LittlePushka).

Dumbledoresgirl · 06/02/2011 18:13

Actually, I think I may have just paid for some title documents I didn't need as, going through the correspondence from our solicitor at the time we bought the house, I have found something from the Land Registry with our names on it. But it really only seems to be a piece of paper saying we are registered as the owners so I am not sure if this is the same document that I have ordered online.

God this is such a depressing situation. We have never fallen out with our neighbour btw. We have obliged him by cutting down trees when asked. We did annoy his wife by erecting a garden shed at the bottom of our garden (where their house is) but the husband said he didn't mind as he was going to erect a taller fence anyway (and quickly did so). I really don't know why he is being so awful about this issue but I can see how neighbourly disputes can really wreck your peace of mind. Sad

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