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Westminster Under 4+ assessment?

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bayesian · 03/07/2025 09:47

How is Westminster Under's 4+ assessment different from other selective preps (like the Hall)?

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Fiveforlittle · 03/07/2025 13:04

This is their first year running it so only they can advise. Two stages, play and behaviour based. Academically ahead of the child's age cohort. Something similar to Highgate...

bayesian · 03/07/2025 14:27

Fiveforlittle · 03/07/2025 13:04

This is their first year running it so only they can advise. Two stages, play and behaviour based. Academically ahead of the child's age cohort. Something similar to Highgate...

play based, but what skills and behaviours do they test? Like writing, drawing, story-understanding, numbers, colours, alphabets, etc?

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ChelseaLDN · 04/07/2025 08:40

I can tell you what my child reports doing at the assessment for other similarly academic schools:

  • cutting with scissors
  • writing their name
  • counting objects
  • listening to a story and then answering questions about it
  • drawing a picture of their family and then being able to explain who everyone is
  • drawing a picture of a suggested scenario, eg draw what you would like to do if you were in the park. Then explaining it.
  • building with magnets or blocks
  • bringing in a special item from home and being asked questions about it
  • free play (I assume to observe what they are drawn to and how they interact with the group/environment)
MyTwoDads · 16/07/2025 10:20

Hi @bayesian I was a 4+ assessor at a different independent school, but all the 4+ assessments are pretty similar as the children are only 3yrs old after all! 😂@ChelseaLDN is pretty spot on with her list of things. We would look at how they interact with each other and the adults in the room. How they were during the story at the end, were they engaged, answering questions, joining in with the actions and rhymes.
Theses are all hard for you to work on a home, unlike colours, numbers, letters etc. so I would suggest you visit the school on their open day if you haven't done so already, speak with the adults who will be doing the assessment, take your child with you of course and maybe find out which room the assessment takes place in - if it's one of their classrooms, then you could pop in and show your child.

bayesian · 16/07/2025 18:21

@MyTwoDads
How then should we prepare for 4+ at the London selective schools such as Westminster/Highgate/Alleryns? In addition to ensuring numbers/colours/alphabets/shapes are all covered already

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MyTwoDads · 16/07/2025 19:03

I suggest go through common 2D shapes colours, letter sounds (concentrate on the single letter sounds first as these are most important) recognising numbers to 10 (out of order) and then to 20 if you can. Repeating patterns, puzzles, cutting skills are all useful too. Plus the bits I mentioned above about getting them to feel comfortable about being handed over on the day.
I can give you more detail on specific things if you'd like, happy to receive PMs from people. 😃

bayesian · 17/07/2025 11:42

Do you think it is possible to run assessments for 500 applicants?

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MyTwoDads · 17/07/2025 11:56

@bayesian I don't know how I would have coped with seeing 500 3 year olds for the assessments! 😂That is why some schools have two stages to their process. The first stage us usually observations and note taking with a little 1:1 interaction with the adult, then the second stage is more formal where the children sit down with the assessor to complete set tasks. Sadly, I think it is a money making exercise for the schools as the majority of children will not move to stage two. We saw about 175-200 over two weeks, but we only did one stage and that still took 2 weeks.

bayesian · 17/07/2025 11:56

MyTwoDads · 16/07/2025 19:03

I suggest go through common 2D shapes colours, letter sounds (concentrate on the single letter sounds first as these are most important) recognising numbers to 10 (out of order) and then to 20 if you can. Repeating patterns, puzzles, cutting skills are all useful too. Plus the bits I mentioned above about getting them to feel comfortable about being handed over on the day.
I can give you more detail on specific things if you'd like, happy to receive PMs from people. 😃

There are posts suggesting or saying parents "show interests" by buying chocolate and gifts for selective schools such as Falker or supposedly nonselectives such as Pembridge. Is it true? That sounds disgusting

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MyTwoDads · 17/07/2025 12:18

@bayesian I agree. No, that never happened at my school. That would be serious if it was to proven. Tbh, I haven't heard of that, might be an urban myth lol

Angrymum22 · 17/07/2025 12:38

My DS was at an academically selective school from 4. I was totally thrown by the assessment, I thought it would just be observation while he played. It was a full on visual test, I can’t remember the name of it. He refused to speak throughout but was happy to point to the answers. As we were leaving down a narrow set of stairs he turned to me and said “ these stairs are a bit steep mummy” at which point the assessor was delighted. The test was done just after he turned 3, his speach was advanced at this age but he was a bit selective about who he would talk to.
He was accepted and started 10 mnths later. At his first parents evening the assessor ( head of preschool) gushed about how high his score was in the test and that she considered him very bright.

I was always slightly suspicious of his results but he left primary school as a natural all-rounder. They had to do a further entrance test to join the senior school, when I asked his form tutor if she thought he would pass it she replied that if he didn’t get in then they would be seriously worried about the rest of the year.

Through senior school he comfortably coped with the work load. I waited for him to hit the wall that other parents described but he never did. He rarely struggled with homework or day to day work but is lazy so worked just hard enough to attain the grades he needed at A level.
He is the student who will attend just enough lectures to get by but will sail away with a first on graduation. I have always been an advocate of working comfortably within your capabilities. I was the same and as a result have worked in a high stress profession without the overwhelming stress some colleagues have experienced.

What these entrance tests do is to look for natural ability before you can coach and tutor them. From experience they are fairly accurate and allow the school to pick out those who have the “IQ”, not a term i favour, to keep up with the accelerated and enhanced learning they often provide. What they don’t do is identify learning difficulties such as dyslexia and processing problems. A number of DS’s friends were very bright but struggled at times. Fortunately the school had a very supportive SEN policy and picked up problems early on. Parents were given plenty of notice and advice before making choices on senior education. They were also well supported by the SENCO department within the school.

DS had a form of childhood epilepsy which is known to affect cognitive ability. They quickly identified that he was struggling more than expected in maths. Prior to the onset of the seizures he had been way ahead. This was monitored throughout his time at school and although he dipped he didn’t drop below average. He grew out of the epilepsy and school assessed him in 6th form ( looked at processing and language) but felt he was still performing well above average so didn’t need extra time in exams. He wouldn’t have taken it anyway, he felt it was cheating, I think a lot of children were being assessed at the request of parents to try and boost grades. Epilepsy, or a history of it, is the one condition that automatically qualifies you for extra time.

DS continues to amble along but performs well under pressure because he has had a good secondary education. It would have been nice to see him fulfill his true potential but looking back on my educational cohort at uni the hard workers and high flyers have not achieved any more than I have. It is actually the laid back amblers that have shone brightly in the profession.

MyTwoDads · 17/07/2025 13:44

@Angrymum22 thank you for sharing your story. I agree, schools are looking for 'natural ability' in children that have picked up everything that they have learnt and retained it. Sometimes, intense tutoring can skew this. All to often we would see children join our school in Y3 (who had performed really well in the 7+ assessments) only to plateau during their time in Y3 because their tutoring had stopped.

bayesian · 30/07/2025 00:20

@MyTwoDads those activities you mentioned are more or less covered in those "Starting School" or "Ready for School" books for age 3-5.

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MyTwoDads · 30/07/2025 08:46

bayesian · 30/07/2025 00:20

@MyTwoDads those activities you mentioned are more or less covered in those "Starting School" or "Ready for School" books for age 3-5.

Basically, yes. As most schools will tell you, the 4+ is based on what children should know at their age. However, you would be surprised at how many children coming for 4+ don't know all they 2D shapes, or don't know their phonic sounds (single letter sound) or recognise numbers to 10. It's not just about this though. And you need to set yourself above the crowd.
As we have heard above, some schools require children to read CVC words and sometimes bigger. Some schools require children to write. There are the other elements such as fine motor control, social interaction, vocabulary, separating from parents easily, that go into the whole 4+ and don't appear in these books.
I would say that the books are an good start if you are wanting to prepare your child for the 4+ 😃

lilproblem · 30/07/2025 20:45

Do you mean the five minute mum ones

bayesian · 01/08/2025 00:16

MyTwoDads · 30/07/2025 08:46

Basically, yes. As most schools will tell you, the 4+ is based on what children should know at their age. However, you would be surprised at how many children coming for 4+ don't know all they 2D shapes, or don't know their phonic sounds (single letter sound) or recognise numbers to 10. It's not just about this though. And you need to set yourself above the crowd.
As we have heard above, some schools require children to read CVC words and sometimes bigger. Some schools require children to write. There are the other elements such as fine motor control, social interaction, vocabulary, separating from parents easily, that go into the whole 4+ and don't appear in these books.
I would say that the books are an good start if you are wanting to prepare your child for the 4+ 😃

By 2D shapes, you mean just circle/square/rectangle/star, right? Not like octagon/pentagon/trapezoid

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MyTwoDads · 01/08/2025 08:06

@bayesian our test had: circle, square, rectangle, triangle (the basic 4) then diamond, star, heart and finally hexagon and pentagon - only about half go these two.

bayesian · 01/08/2025 20:33

Good, I myself don't bother with octagon/pentagon etc

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MyTwoDads · 07/08/2025 22:17

@bayesian I think you're missing the point - if, as I say, only half were able to identify hexagon and pentagon - this is an easy win for you if you teach them to your child. Every point counts! You still have plenty of time to introduce them and practise counting their sides and corners. It's worth a go!

Pimlicomum2025 · 24/11/2025 11:06

Has anyone heard back from WUS yet?

Londonmamma22 · 27/11/2025 08:25

My bet is that we will hear towards the end of the day tomorrow…

Pimlicomum2025 · 28/11/2025 16:08

Just heard, we didn’t get through. Did anyone else get a positive response?

Guben · 28/11/2025 22:34

Hello, we didn’t get through either. Would be interesting to hear from people who got invited to the next assessment.

Guben · 28/11/2025 22:56

@Londonmamma22 congrats!
My son (first child) got an offer at Thomas’s Kensington, however, the selection process seems easier there. I think he didn’t make it through as he is a late talker - very bright but lagging behind with language (he is exposed to 3 languages). I suppose children who got invited to the second round ticked all the boxes of the Early Years Foundation Stage.