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5 pages a day reading limit???

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KatieKat188 · 23/09/2024 14:03

Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster.

Very sorry for the long rant and if anyone reads this whole thing, thank you so much in advance!

My daughter is 5 yo, in Year 1, and attends a small private school near us. For the most part, we have been overall very happy with her experience so far, and have been pleased with her reading and writing.

However, all of last year, her teacher kept sending home reading books which were too easy for her, and I spoke to her several times about this, and eventually she started giving her books that were slightly more on her level.

This year she has a new teacher who assessed her reading level at the start of term a few weeks ago and I was instantly a lot happier with the reading level of books coming home, and she was on the Level 4 Biff, Chip and Kipper books.

However, last week, even though her book was a Level 4, it was a bit on the easier side again, and I wrote in her reading diary 'read whole book' - it was about 20 pages with 1 short sentence per page. They swapped the book out and the next one was equally easy for her, including going over the reading comprehension questions, so again I wrote 'read whole book.'

The next day I was met with a note in her reading diary saying 'please only read 1 - 5 pages per day.' I asked my daughter about this and she said her teacher told her that she should only read 5 pages per day in her book.

This bothered me all of Sunday and I e-mailed her teacher this morning to ask what this was about and why school would ever tell a child to limit their reading, and the response I got was that this is school policy, because they often find that children rush to get to the end of the book because they want to swap it or move up a level and haven't actually mastered the comprehension of it. She then recommended that dd is free to choose a second book from the school library and read that after doing 5 pages of her reading book if she wants.

When I tell you I've been shaking with anger and seriously considering withdrawing her from there for the next term...

Is it just me or does this seem completely counterintuitive??? Only read 5 pages of one book because it's school policy but then read as much as you want of another one.

I would understand if it was a case where they are reading the book together as a class or something and don't want anyone reading ahead, but that's not what it is. The kids each choose their own reading book and swap it when they want to.

My husband works at the school as well and spoke to the Head of Primary who said, don't worry, of course you can read more with her if you want to.

But that's not the point... she was told by her teacher... at this young age where she is only starting to really form her opinions about school and reading independently... that she shouldn't be reading more than 5 pages a day.

So she now feels like she is doing something against her teacher's wishes if she wants to read more.

I have honestly never heard of something so insane. I am all for testing reading comprehension. You want them to write a few sentences about the story before swapping it? Great. You want them to tell the teacher about the story before swapping it? Also great. You want them to answer questions about the story? Great. Test their reading comprehension before swapping or moving up.

But in what insane world is it ok to tell a child they SHOULD NOT be reading more than 5 pages?

sigh

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inheritancetaxhelp · 23/09/2024 17:43

Move her to a state school if you want to see best practice with regard to teaching reading. Biff and Chip are out. Reading the book at least 3 times a week to build fluency is now what is recommended in most schools.
But yes, you are completely overreacting!

CherryValley5 · 23/09/2024 17:45

inheritancetaxhelp · 23/09/2024 17:43

Move her to a state school if you want to see best practice with regard to teaching reading. Biff and Chip are out. Reading the book at least 3 times a week to build fluency is now what is recommended in most schools.
But yes, you are completely overreacting!

You mean.. teaching kids to memorise a book? I wouldn’t call that best practice!

GoldenNuggets08 · 23/09/2024 17:53

TopBunk · 23/09/2024 17:03

My ds' teacher was sending too easy work too.
I queried this and it turned out they had never actually listened to him read.
I would be very very wary of assuming the OP doesn't know her child's reading ability best here.

There's a difference between reading ability and comprehension! I'm not suggesting the OP doesn't know her child just that what she deems a good level of comprehension is obviously not the same as the teacher.

TopBunk · 23/09/2024 19:03

GoldenNuggets08 · 23/09/2024 17:53

There's a difference between reading ability and comprehension! I'm not suggesting the OP doesn't know her child just that what she deems a good level of comprehension is obviously not the same as the teacher.

I would venture that the op knows if her child understands the pages or not, since she, not the teacher, hears her child read them.
Nobody sat with my ds until close to Christmas so had no idea what he understood or not.

MagentaRavioli · 23/09/2024 19:13
  1. your reaction is OTT
  2. you lost me at ‘if this was a state school issue’ as if phonics education was different for private school kids (I guess some of the vowels might be pronounced differently) and you expect state schools to be somehow beneath your dd’s level…

Read what you’ve written. It doesn’t sound as though the school is being arbitrary or irrational. Explain to your dd that school reading books are special and you do 5 pages and explain the story to each other, whereas other books are different.

And although having your child on the highest book band might feel like it matters to you now, it will be water under the bridge when the class it at the end of infants - you just need your child to be a fluent reader at that point.

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 23/09/2024 19:33

Op you need to calm down, the biff and chip book is your dds 'homework' 5 pages is standard.

It's no different than if she'd been sent home with a maths book and told to do 2 pages (would you be raging that they were stifling a love of maths?)

If your dd likes to read then encourage her to read her own books 🤷‍♀️

The private school thing is a red herring imo.

inheritancetaxhelp · 23/09/2024 19:37

@CherryValley5 no I don't mean memorising the book. There is good research here: educationendowmentfoundation.org.uk/news/eef-blog-shining-a-spotlight-on-reading-fluency

Books should be matched to the child's phonics knowledge and decoding ability. But you don't want them reading the book once, having to sound out all the words and then move on to the next. You want them to re-read the book a couple of times to build fluency and work on prosody.

I'm not sticking up for the teacher here; it sounds like their approach went out of favour 20 years ago. But I do think the OP is massively overreacting and I am also pretty sure that due to Ofsted's big focus on early reading and phonics, this wouldn't happen in a decent state primary school nowadays.

wafflesmgee · 23/09/2024 19:42

Chill out.
CHILL OUT.
Seriously.

wafflesmgee · 23/09/2024 19:46

CherryValley5 · 23/09/2024 17:45

You mean.. teaching kids to memorise a book? I wouldn’t call that best practice!

It is, actually. And it's not about memorising the book, it's ensuring a child takes home a book they can already decode so that they can enjoy the experience with their carer, without expecting an unqualified person to actually teach the reading to their child.

Maybe the school have the rule so that the children of pushy, overbearing parents don't hate reading by the time they are in key stage two?!

Bunnycat101 · 23/09/2024 19:57

I’ll be honest and say that neither of my children have been so riveted by a school book that they have wanted to read and read. They’d have been quite happy with a 5 page limit. Many of them are terrible. You do need to chill a bit though. I was a bit uptight with my first and then have just learnt to do my own thing with my second. Reception books were painfully easy but we just supplemented with a greater range of stories. And I also think it is true they can get a bit competitive and start racing though books. There was always hell to play if my eldest’s bestie ever jumped up a book band quicker than her.

I would also say be careful what you wish for. My eldest was an advanced reader and the school hadn’t really checked the appropriateness of some of the books for the infants. My 5yo asking what suicide was or reading about the burning ashes of the people of Pompeii were both somewhat unexpected reading book related challenges.

Ellie56 · 23/09/2024 21:28

Blahblah34 · 23/09/2024 14:08

"Shaking with anger" over a Biff and Kipper book. Crikey.

I have 3 children and we read about Biff, Chip and Kipper ad nauseam for years, along with all the other boring reading scheme books. I can't ever remember being driven to shaking with anger over any of them. What am I missing?

HeavyMetalMaiden · 23/09/2024 22:09

Calm down. She can read whatever she likes as well as the school
book

MinnieEgg · 23/09/2024 22:59

We paid for school.. Biff, Chip and Kipper books are good, tried and tested + appropriate for that stage of learning. DD started out on them and was reading at a 16yo+ level at the age of 8 so they can’t be too bad! Personally I had no issues with them being used and I would even suggest that parents who do have a bit too much too on their hands.. 4 year olds need the basics, not Shakespeare for goodness sake.

It's not about the quality of the stories. ORT are not fully decodable.

CherryValley5 · 23/09/2024 23:06

MinnieEgg · 23/09/2024 22:59

We paid for school.. Biff, Chip and Kipper books are good, tried and tested + appropriate for that stage of learning. DD started out on them and was reading at a 16yo+ level at the age of 8 so they can’t be too bad! Personally I had no issues with them being used and I would even suggest that parents who do have a bit too much too on their hands.. 4 year olds need the basics, not Shakespeare for goodness sake.

It's not about the quality of the stories. ORT are not fully decodable.

Speaking from experience my child certainly found them absolutely fine..

MinnieEgg · 23/09/2024 23:09

Speaking from experience my child certainly found them absolutely fine..

That's great. 🏆

NavyBleugh · 24/09/2024 08:49

MagentaRavioli · 23/09/2024 19:13

  1. your reaction is OTT
  2. you lost me at ‘if this was a state school issue’ as if phonics education was different for private school kids (I guess some of the vowels might be pronounced differently) and you expect state schools to be somehow beneath your dd’s level…

Read what you’ve written. It doesn’t sound as though the school is being arbitrary or irrational. Explain to your dd that school reading books are special and you do 5 pages and explain the story to each other, whereas other books are different.

And although having your child on the highest book band might feel like it matters to you now, it will be water under the bridge when the class it at the end of infants - you just need your child to be a fluent reader at that point.

Good post and agree wholeheartedly

CookiePookie · 24/09/2024 13:36

Perhaps - have a conversation with the teacher and include your daughter. Ask the teacher to clarify - 5 pages of the school book, then read as much as you like of anything else, get the teacher to clarify it's great she reads (If the teacher won't do this then there is a problem, I agree). If it comes from the teacher herself then your daughter will not worry about reading 'too much'? Or just read the book the evening before due back. Honestly - I can understand your worry but there will be much bigger fish to fry later in school! It might just be a little miscommunication from a frazzled teacher.

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