End of yr1 levels.

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So, whats the norm? I know that is like asking how long is a piece of string, but what is the expected levels at this point?

Just re-read, should be what ARE the expected levels...

I'm sure I read somewhere that the "expected" level is 1c i.e. on target to get that "expected" 2b at the end of KS1.

expected at end of year 1 is a 1a with a view to getting a 2b at end of year 2. Average rise of 2 sublevels a year for an average student.

No, squiby - 2 sub-levels per year is actually good progress, according to Ofsted. One and a half sub-levels per year is average progress for an average child.
( Like one of those even exists!)

Think about it - if a 2b child made progress of what you call an 'average' 2 sub-levels per year, they would be a 5c in Year 6 - far above an average rate of progress.

Two sublevels per year is the target schools aim for to show they are challenging their children into making above average progress

There is no 'expected' level at the end of Y1 - they only offically exist for Y2 and Y6 (2b and 4b respectively).

But broadly speaking a 1a at the end of year 1 is average, and a child would be on target to achieve at least a 2b at the end of KS1.

I beg to differ Feenie but as a teacher I know that in my school it is a expected for each average student to make 2 sub levels a year in infant school.

In KS1, yes - I assumed you were talking about beyond the average Y2 2b that you referred to.

"So average children (and I use that term loosely) would expect to be as follows:

Yr1 - 1a
Yr2 - 2b
Yr3 - 3c
Yr4 - 3a
Yr5 - 4b
Yr6 - Solid level 4 / low level 5"

But 'average' children aren't expected to achieve level 5s. That's why it's a good rate of progress from an average 2b. The expected level is 4b.

It might be the rate of progress that you as a school aim for (as do we), but it isn't an average rate.

And squiby was right - but only where KS1 is concerned, which was what she was referring to as an infant school teacher.
Ofsted expect 3 APS points as average, and 4 APS points is a good rate of progress, according to them.

Perhaps in the school you are referring to, Ofsted meant children had to make accelerated progress in upper KS2 to catch up? Wouldn't make sense otherwise, as you say.

"It might be the rate of progress that you as a school aim for (as do we), but it isn't an average rate."

i.e. the rate you aim for as a matter of course, and what you call an average rate.

So would a child who ended reception on a 1c/grade 9, yes I know they are different but I dont know the technicalties, and ended yr1 on a 2a be viewed as having made exceptional progress ?

technicalities.

Yes

mrs thankyou for your succinct and prompt response. So assuming that the child continues to make this level of progress, and I know that it may not be sustained at this pace, could a teacher assessment grade her higher than a level 3 at the end of yr2?

Yes.

Feenie thankyou for YOUR succinct and prompt response. And mrz sorry for calling you mrs.

I'm called worse

We're targetted to move children a whole level in Y2, so our ave Y1 level is 1B.

.....hmmmm perhaps this is why we're having so much trouble reaching targets!!!!!

(I think it's a legacy of Target tracker, that we were using a few years ago)

We target 5 APS for Y1 and Y2.

ours is similar, average children in our school have to make 5 sub levels progress from the end of Reception to end of year 2

Feenie, we're just about to start looking at APS. How do you deal with EY scores being carried forward into Y1?
Does 5 APS progression throughout KS1 usually entail an expected 3 sublevels' progress in Y2?

rollercoaster do you mean APP rather than APS ?
too many similar acronyms arounds

Y1 causes huge consternation, as it does with everyone else I guess, because some children still need to carry on with EYFS in Y1 and therefore aren't ready for NC straight away.It's a constant debate.

5 APS is an 'aspirational' target for good progress, so we target 1a+ for end of Y1 and then 2a at the end of Y2. So we aim for 2 and a half sublevels in Y2, if that makes sense.

sorry rollacoasta