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Splitting children up every year; why on earth is this such common practice in primary school?

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Onestonetogo · 01/07/2010 16:57

Just found out that my DS (who will attend year 1 next year)will be in a class with other children, not the ones who've been in his class this year. Yhe school mixes the children up every year.
I find this very sad; from an emotional point of view, children will have the added, unnecessary "stress" of being surrounded by "strangers" rather than their friends. It also gives them the message that there isn't such a thing as long friendships, that people come and go. In my opinion this could turn them into adults who will not form lasting friendships/relationships.
I'm also not sure as to the possible academic advantage that such practice achieves? Is it a tool aimed at splitting up friendships and making school less fun, so childern are easier to control?

I'm a bit upset over this, I wonder if any teachers/ parents can tell me why it's done? Is there any research that shows any advantage to this? Thanks x

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Lougle · 01/07/2010 17:04

I think the intention is that it will have directly the opposite effect - creating strong adults that cope with change and don't become over reliant on their friends to enjoy a situation.

scurryfunge · 01/07/2010 17:10

I think it allows for new friendships to form. Certain classes can develop their own identity which is sometimes not positive ie, the noisy class or the low achieving class.

mice · 01/07/2010 17:10

but surely all friend socialising is done at lunch/break time - and they can still see old friends then - so in reality they should have a much wider social circle. Seems like a good idea to me.

Onestonetogo · 01/07/2010 17:10

Thanks Lougle, but children need and do better in a familiar environment. I don't believe in "tough-love"; giving children stress and unfamiliarity will create insecure adults if anything, not "strong" ones.
Also, splitting them up teaches them to form more superficial friendships? What Im trying to say is, even if it turns them into apparently "strong" adults, capable of mixing with strangers, will these adults be able to go beyond superficial friendships?
I'd like to see the research/easoning behind this.

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Lougle · 01/07/2010 17:26

The familiar environment stands, and the class is only 'new' for a couple of weeks.

It teaches them to build relationships more quickly, and be nice and helpful and cooperative with people you don't know really well.

School is not a social club, anyway, is it?

fruitful · 01/07/2010 17:31

Gives them a chance to split up the kids that are perfectly well-behaved apart but a nightmare together.

Enables them to mix the class - so you don't end up with all the struggling kids in one class, or all the badly-behaved kids, or all the sporty kids or all the kids that love science or whatever. Kids change so much throughout the year that a well-balanced class at the beginning may not be by the end.

Gives the kids who aren't happily in friendship groups a chance to be so.

In our school there is 1.5 classes per year so they have to change every year. By the end of the school they all know almost everyone, certainly everyone in the years above and below. Which is lovely - when dd arrives at middle school she will have good friends there already.

What on earth is your ds's school like, if the kids in the other class in his year are strangers to him? Do they never do things together?

WoodRose · 01/07/2010 17:38

DC's school doesn't split up. This means that they will be with the same children from Reception through to Yr 6. Great if you are in a class with a positive dynamic; a nightmare if you are in a class which doesn't gel. Parents at DC's school are desperate for the classes to be mixed up when they go up to juniors, but the HT is dead set against it.

TheCrackFox · 01/07/2010 17:45

Sounds awful, don't blame you for being upset.

edam · 01/07/2010 17:52

ds's school is a 1.5 class intake so the groups get shuffled around every year. He's in a mixed Yr1/2 class at the moment, will be in a straight Yr3 class next year. They divide the children into the oldest 15/middle 15/youngest 15 so it's not the same children being mixed all the time.

Seems to work very well. I was worried at first, especially as the kids he knew before school are in the other groups, but ds has been fine. He's really enjoyed being in a mixed class and having the chance to be one of the oldest instead of always the youngest. And it means as they move through school they develop a really wide circle of friends - he knows people in the year below, his year and the one above because they've either been in his class have been in his friends' classes.

InvaderZim · 01/07/2010 18:06

Our school shuffles the children every year. It's not like they don't mix on the playground anyways, and the children are allowed to write down four friends, one of which they are guaranteed to be in the new class with.

I have personally observed "toxic" friendships being split up for the benefit of both children. As others have mentioned, it's also better for the balance of abilities and personalities. SEN issues can crop up at any time and you don't want all the SEN children in one class, etc etc etc...

mummytime · 01/07/2010 18:13

My DCs school has not (usually) shuffled between years R and 2. They also kept the classes separate so the kids often really didn't know the kids in the other class. The Junior school has always shuffled, so as to get the best balance and match between pupils and teacher, the kids also are mixed up for some things (Maths, art, french etc.) so do all get to know each other. Head of Juniors is now taking over infants and is shuffling there. I think it is good for the kids to mix with kids from all their year. My kids have often lost contact with a friend from pre-school who was put in the other class.
The classes can also be more accurately balanced.

However unless it is a huge school, when the classes are shuffled, there will still be at about half or a third the class, who were in the previous class. So plenty of familiar faces. The teachers usually ask for friends names (and class teachers usually know this anyhow).

redskyatnight · 01/07/2010 19:22

DS's school shuffles every year. I've found it nothing but positive. I think there are limited opportunities for "socialising" in class anyway (DS's best pal is in his class but completely different groups for everything, so other than getting to sit next to him at story time they don't really see each other at all).

rainbowfizz · 01/07/2010 20:14

For the first time this year my dc school is mixing the classes.

According to my ds' teacher, oh its fine they all play together at break time (bearing in mind we are talking about 30 children in total for the year (not the class)).

According to my ds, the other class is as separate as the other years, and yes he knows them, but they are not friends.

I'm not keen on the class being mixed, can't see benefits over disadvantages.

flowergirlbelle · 01/07/2010 20:23

My DD school also mixes from year 1, in reception they are all together, then KS1 (year 1 & 2) are split into 3 classes. When she moved into year 1 last September, she was with a couple of best friends. I don't know yet whether she will be moving into another group in September. She has been fine with the way it has worked out, as really it's only her form group (remember secondary school) they get split into the ability levels for math, english etc and they see everyone else at playtime. I don't see the problem with it as long as they have one good friend in their class. I am sure if you bring your concerns up with the school they would explain the reasons behind the changes?

orienteerer · 01/07/2010 20:24

I can't see any problem at all?

CaurnieBred · 02/07/2010 11:45

I'm Scottish and we were mixed up when we moved into Primary 2 (Y1). We were then in those classes until we left Primary. I hardly knew any of the other children in the other primary class. I personally think that mixing them up is much better for the children and promotes stronger bonds when they move up to the next level.

RubberDuck · 02/07/2010 12:17

I was really worried about this with my ds1 who found it hard to make friends and had two very close friends that he played with exclusively.

It actually worked out REALLY well - he now has a much wider social circle, his confidence has increased massively and it was such a big help last year when his best friend that he was so dependent on in reception moved away from the school - was nowhere near the trauma it could have been.

Onestonetogo · 02/07/2010 13:03

thanks for the encouraging input.
As a kid it was very important to know that I'd go back to school and move on to the next year with the same crowd, it really made going back to school something to look forward to. Strong friendships were formed between pupils and their parents too.
If anyone moved class (for example if their parents didn't like the teacher they could move thir child) then they would grow apart and do things with their new class mates.

Now, I agree that an older child is better equipped emotionally to cope with change, but at 5 or 6 children need familiarity, routine, the same circle of friends. Being "strong", "dynamic", "confident", are grown-up terms that we project onto small children, and reflect our obsession with such qualities, but hardly relevant to a small child.
In other words, I'm still convinced that it's a tad cruel and unnecessary.

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BooKangaWonders · 02/07/2010 13:14

But to you "In other words, I'm still convinced that it's a tad cruel and unnecessary". To many other posters it's not, but probably the most important thing is that you present it to your child as a positive and don't project all your worries.

My dc are in a v small school that shuffles the children every year, and it has so many positives.

mummytime · 02/07/2010 13:31

I think you are projecting your own feelings onto your children. This is something to be wary of, as they are different. I was shuffled a lot at primary school and had some friends all the way through as constants even when they were in different classes. I think the same seems to be true of my children. If a school doesn't shuffle, then the classes often don't mix (parents or children) if they do then the parents and children do mix.

Have you ever had contact with children with parents in the Forces? They are often very confident, although they are constantly being shuffled all over the world.

Don't show your fears, worries to your children and it might surprise you how well they do.

mrsshackleton · 02/07/2010 13:43

I think it would be great and am hoping dd1's class do the same next year. She hasn't found a soulmate in her class and I think she has potential friends in the other

They also have already mixed extensively with the other class at break time and in all sorts of situations, so it's not like dumping them in a room full of strangers. It will be fine

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