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Does anyone have experience of sending their child straight into Y1 (ie missing out reception year)?

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satlitegirl · 02/04/2010 18:52

Hello

I was wondering if anyone had any experience of sending their child straight into Year 1 (so missing out the Reception Year by keeping child at home or in a nursery-pre-school environment until the child is at the age where they must start education)?

Our son (turns 4 late July) is eligible to start this September, but we have almost certainly decided to send him to a nursery school for that year instead, which would mean that he goes straight into Y1 the following Sep. I have read a lot of comments on this issue, and although a lot of people seem unhappy with the idea of 4 yr olds starting school, I am struggling to find anyone who has made the decision to keep their child out of primary school until they turned 5. So if there is anyone out there who has done this, please let me know how you and your child got on!

Thank you

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littleducks · 02/04/2010 22:15

I might be doing this with dd, but due to loosing the gamble in school allocations.

DD is currently at preschool, which currently has 5 year olds there doing reception (borough is only moving to rising 5 this year so previously all late born children did either 1 or 2 terms 'reception' in nursery). She may or may not be the only reception aged child there next year.

She is four in a month and knows all her single letter phonics some letter pairs (th/ch/sh/oo/nk etc) can blend simple word and is able to count reliably to 10 and unreliably much higher.

So i'm not worried about that side of things if she misses out on reception. I do worry a bit about the social side of things, she has always played with the older children and i do worry about her being left behind while her friends move up. I also worry about her missing out on making firm friends in reception and everyone knowing each other by year one.

There is also the issue of physical space, I'm hoping that the preschool will provide a large enough outside space for her to run about and she wont outgrow it too fast.

pugsandseals · 02/04/2010 22:20

DD started at Easter a term before year 1 (another August baby here). For us, it worked perfectly! There is no way she would have coped full-time before then.

PROS
1 They had to hold her place open for her
2 She could build her time at nursery slowly
3 I could do some work without being restricted to school times or childminders
4 She got a huge amount of attention & help with reading because of the small class sizes at nursery for an extra 2 terms
5 She knew some of her soon-to-be school friends already & saw them regularly before starting so no problems building friendships
6 She could actually manage full-time from the day she started school
7 She was actually further ahead when she joined school than her peers because of the extra help she got at a fantastic nursery

If you have a nursery you have full confidence in and can afford the fees I would stick with them until easter. They all follow the same curriculum so what's the difference? Apart from a happy/not overtired child!

CirrhosisByTheSea · 02/04/2010 22:23

oh, and meant to add on the social side, well yes that WAS good for DS (it was reception year that he really started to think and talk about other kids as his friends)

however, there has been a surprising amount of movement; at least 5 kids have left during his infant years and been replaced by other kids, with no problems that I'm aware of - the mums of the new kids have been pleased with the way they've settled, and DS is friends with at least 2 of them. Kids make friends very very quickly. I wouldn't be worried now about the social side, with the benefit of hindsight.

satlitegirl · 02/04/2010 23:06

Hi Roisin

Thank you very much for your input! It's good to hear from someone who's done it. I was beginning to feel like a lone voice, although I had never seen myself as particularly radical in this regard.

We are currently living in the US (been here 2.5 yrs) and DS goes to a pre-school 2 mornings a week (5hrs total). If we were staying here, this would increase to 3 mornings with more hours and then I think he would start at formal school the following year (when he would be 5). But as we are moving back to the UK (to Lincolnshire) I looked into what was expected over here and was shocked surprised to discover how inflexible the system is. I really hadn't given it a whole lot of thought, but naively assumed that he'd start at some point during his 4th year with part-time hours/days at first and building up slowly.

I would love to be bored to tears by your experience. Currently boring DP to tears by all the research I'm doing on the subject, but feel I'm going round in circles with lots of conflicting advice. I would be slightly happier with the idea of him starting in reception after Easter, but had got the impression that this wasn't possible where we are moving to.

Was your son the only one in his nursery in that position? How did he settle in when he did start in Y1 (making friends, coping with the work etc)? How did you secure that Y1 place for him?

Any information you have would be v useful. Thanks!

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Pancakeflipper · 02/04/2010 23:22

If you keep your child in reception please get it authorized in writing by the LEA and the school on exactly what will happen.

I know someone whom kept their DC in nursery an extra year with permission from the LEA but the following year her DC spent 1 day in Year1. Then was moved into reception class and spent a term there before going to Year 1. The mother was distraught as the kid was utterly bemused and upset. But it worked out ok in the end for the DC.

Clary · 02/04/2010 23:23

hah, Roisin, yes my reference sounds a bit mealy-mouthed doesn't it.

I meant that you were the kind of person who would have had good reason to do what you did and would have thought it all through.

You are also a mad drunken raver if that sounds better

satlitegirl · 03/04/2010 01:13

Thanks everyone for your experiences and ideas - it's all useful to read and think about. An Easter start in reception sounds like it might be a reasonable compromise, if that's allowed (although I actually think starting full-time at 5 might still be too young for some kids, let alone receiving homework then - another topic there!).

I'll contact the LEA and get their advice. Seems crazy having to get their permission when the legal school start date isn't til 5, but if that's what it takes. If an Easter start is out of the question, we will probably put him straight into Y1.

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asdx2 · 03/04/2010 07:02

Dd's school had a foundation stage unit so nursery and reception were together in the same building (only 15 in each year)Dd technically did reception year but attended part time like the nursery children did.She started full time in y1 with no difficulties.

Clarissimo · 03/04/2010 07:12

Hi

We amde the decision with ds3 (Late July / what was then seech and language difficulties but has now been diagnosed as autism).

He started part time after Christmas, and full time at Easter just before year one.

A very good decision I think- our instincts were right and he didn't cope too well and switched to SNU after a year, but he ahd a few OK terms and I think the gardual / delay enabled that.

Absolutely a decision I would repeat (won't need to as ds4 April baby but ykwim)

Clarissimo · 03/04/2010 07:14

(Oh and it does depend on school- ours had a fab Nursery which he did attend for half days, but the reception year sends homework from the second month and has lots of splling tests etc- theya re an unusual school. We were also guaranteed a aplce for complicated reasons down to who we know (Vicar) / statement /where we live).

he's yr 2 now.

roisin · 03/04/2010 09:08

at Clary!

Satlitegirl:

Some schools actively support the idea of part-time places throughout reception. Others - and it really depends on the HT - want everyone full-time from day dot. But - as I said earlier - it just depends on the school.

No, ds1 wasn't the only one at his nursery. We moved when he was 5 and the school starting policy was radically different in the County we moved from.

We just applied for his yr1 place in the normal way and were fortunate enough that a space came up at our preferred school. When ds2 came up to 4 though, there was no right to defer as there is now, and we didn't want to gamble with is chances at that (fantastic) school, so sent him to reception as normal. It wasn't a disaster for him, but in hindsight I wish I'd had the courage to keep him off for reception too.

The start of yr1 for ds1 was a bit bumpy as he struggled to come to terms with the formality of education and the strict discipline required when dealing with a class of 30 5 yr olds. But within a couple of months he was completely integrated and from then on was a "model pupil" really!

He didn't find it very easy to make friends - but I think that's more to do with his personality tbh. He was like that before too. He's very contented and has lots of 'mates', but he's never had very close friends. But I don't think that's about his reception year experience at all. I thoroughly expect him to be one of those people who suddenly has a mega-intense, excluding all-else relationship in his teens, but so far he's generally happy with his own company and is a bit of a loner!

Academically there has never been any question whatsoever. ds1 actually taught himself to read at home precociously early, so that wasn't an issue. But at age 5 he'd rarely written anything (though he had dictated stories to me). So - to help him with yr1 - during that summer I taught him correct letter formation.

By Christmas his yr1 teacher told me that he was consistently writing far more than his peers (many of whom had been forced to write before they were physically ready IMO).

Anyway, fast forward on a few years - he got some of the highest marks ever for yr6 SATs in his school and is now at a large secondary school (210 pupils per year) and won a stack of prizes for academic subjects at the awards evening. He's also a very keen reader and writer and last year won a children's national writing competition.

One of the most important things that the extra year of 'freedom' gave him, I think, was the freedom to be himself, to be creative and individual, rather than have to fit into someone else's box, someone else's mould. Obviously it's hard to separate nature and nurture, but people often comment on his imagination, his creativity and his individuality. ds2 on the other hand started a nursery at age 3, which was pretty rigid and structured and then ft reception at age 4+3months.

Bonsoir · 03/04/2010 09:12

What is wrong is to do something totally different education-wise to your child's peer group (unless he/she has SEN). You do have to accept to some extent the provisions made by society for your child's education, and to go along with those, or else your child will find life very difficult. Being able to fit in with one's peer group is an essential life skill.

gingernutlover · 03/04/2010 09:19

satelite, just realised you are in the US

do you know what it means to give up your reception place in some areas here in the UK?

sept 2011 you will have to accept whatever place you are given in whatever school has a place left over - there are some areas in the UK where you really really would not want to do this.

I still think you have to do whatever you think best for your ds - but ending up with the place in a schoolm that noone else wants is not really doing your best by him surely.

Maybe all schools in lincolnshire are good and this isnt a problem. Where I live in Kent, it would be a very real and worrying problem.

roisin · 03/04/2010 09:28

Bonsoir - I disagree. My son does not "find life very difficult". I actually think for many children today being obsessed with fitting in with their peer group, and keeping up with the Jones's actually hinders them in many many ways.

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Bonsoir · 03/04/2010 10:56

"fitting in with your peer group" in no way equates with "being obsessed with keeping up with the Jones'". That is not the point.

asdx2 · 03/04/2010 11:26

Roisin, experiencing similar with dd, despite only doing reception part time she left with a profile score of 106. She could read, write and spell to a higher degree than all her peers from early on in reception year. Now in year two she will undoubtedly do well and the head has said he is excited at the prospect of where she will be when she leaves in year six as he says she has an exceptional ability(have two gifted already but she leaves them standing when comparing at the same age).
I believe you should do what is right for your child whether that is a little different from the norm or not.

MmeBlueberry · 03/04/2010 11:27

My DD went straight into Year 2. Academically, she was caught up by the October half-term.

CarGirl · 03/04/2010 11:44

I do agree much depends on the school where they would be going and the nursery/pre-school where they would stay behind. I'm not sure many pre-schools would actually have a place. There is a shortage of places and you may have to go back on the waiting list unless you had spoken to them before the new starters were informed.

My summer born children were/very fortunate they all had a truly wonderful reception teacher who is also a fantastic SENCO. 2 of them had speech delay - one I thought may actually become a selective mute as she pretty much was at pre-school but they thrived with her. Although learning phonics "homework" was given after October half term mine never did it and the teacher/school didn't have a problem with that at all.

I was very vocal about all that mattered to me was that my children behaved themselves/didn't distract others and that were happy at school. I think the teacher found this is a refreshing change plus the fact that I was well aware of their SEN issues so IEPs were instigated very quickly whereas at pre-school they did very little to support their speech problems and with my youngest they just relied on the other children to translate for them

mumof2wifeof1 · 03/04/2010 14:43

I don't have time to read all the other posts so this may have been said already. Have had experience of it and it's not been a problem at all. Child settled in very well and made good progress and good friends. Only prob may be the school might not be a able to keep your place. Good luck with your decision

Clarissimo · 03/04/2010 14:46

'Bonsoir - I disagree. My son does not "find life very difficult". I actually think for many children today being obsessed with fitting in with their peer group, and keeping up with the Jones's actually hinders them in many many ways. hear hear

At 4 they can vary ion age by 1/4 of a lifespan and need to be looked at individually.

Bonsoir · 03/04/2010 14:51

I don't think that opting out of school is a good way of developing a child's individuality. Children develop their individuality better by interacting with their peer group and, in part, learning to appreciate the differences. Humans have never developed very far in isolation from one another.

Dominique07 · 03/04/2010 14:54

The school might let him join Reception part time, if that would help. So he could go in for 2 days a week and you could work out what you want to do with him for the other 3 days.

Dominique07 · 03/04/2010 15:17

In fact your child may even be allowed to do Year 1 part time if you do not think he is ready. Are you a SAHM?

Tinuviel · 03/04/2010 16:05

I strongly disagree with you, Bonsoir. Just because a child doesn't go to school at 4 doesn't mean that they are isolated. Even if they don't go to school at all, they are still not likely to be isolated. The peer pressure in many secondary schools is not something to which I would want to subject my children!! Many children struggle to develop any individuality at all and feel constantly under pressure to be 'the same as everyone else'.

Satlitegirl, it sounds like an Easter start would be the 'best fit' for you - it really is just a case of digging your heels in with the school/LA.

Another alternative would be to ask if they would consider flexi-schooling, which is a combination of school and home education. Most schools don't like the idea but they may be willing to do it for Reception, starting with a couple of mornings and building up slowly.

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