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KS1 Set Words 4-5 yr olds

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Gaston · 08/02/2010 11:30

Does anyone know where I can find the "Set Words" for Reception age children. I'm hoping to find them in the groupings of Set 1, Set 2, Set 3 etc so I know the order that they are learnt in.
Any help appreciated thanks.

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kitkatsforbreakfast · 08/02/2010 11:50

It's easy to find the set of 45 words - just google Reception Key words. But I don't know how you break them down from there.

Maybe ask your child's teacher.

Madsometimes · 08/02/2010 11:56

Do they still do those words? They did when dd1 (Y5) was in reception, but I do not remember them when dd2 (Y2) was in reception.

Many of them are not phonetic.

ronshar · 08/02/2010 12:04

Early learning center sell a pack of fridge magnetic reception words.
I think you can also get them at GLTC, Yellow Moon.
They have packs for each Key stage.
You should also get the Phonics info as well because Phonics is the best way to teach children to read but not all schools use it.
They are supposed to!

ronshar · 08/02/2010 12:05

Sorry I also meant to ask is your Dc at school yet?

thegrammerpolicesic · 08/02/2010 12:09

Google Letters and Sounds - this is the 'official' scheme used in most schools and has the new words.

Gaston · 08/02/2010 12:12

Yes, he has just started the Set words. I have completely lost the sheets they gave us and have been trying to find them online. I will have to admit I have lost them. Not good start, Mummy lost the Set Words ! Could be worse..........
LOL ! Thanks.

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ronshar · 08/02/2010 12:15

Not to worry. They will be very pleased that you are taking the time to go over them with your child. Alot of parents dont bother.
What reading tree are they using?
My DDs school uses the oxford tree and I find the reception books very boring but the Magic Key stories are brilliant. I am a bit sad sorry

Gaston · 08/02/2010 12:27

I think it is the sme, the stories of Foppy, Biff Chip etc ?

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Gaston · 08/02/2010 12:28

Floppy rather...........

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ronshar · 08/02/2010 12:47

Yes those are the ones.
Biff is a girl. I still cant get my head round that one. 6 years later

maizieD · 08/02/2010 17:46

If you are going to practise the 'tricky words' from Letters and Sounds (not the old 45 YR/1 High Frequency Words) please remember that they are 'decodeable but with a tricky bit', so should be sounded out and blended just like any other word. They shouldn't be memorised as 'whole words'.

If you're unsure as to what I'm talking about, find the Letters & Sounds guidance and read what it has to say about 'tricky words' (P 15 on).

nationalstrategies.standards.dcsf.gov.uk/node/83117?uc=force_uj

(sorry, I think you'll have to copy & paste the link)

thegrammerpolicesic · 08/02/2010 17:48

Maizie - please can you explain why they shouldn't be memorised? I would be interested to hear about this.

ihearttc · 08/02/2010 18:56

Me too...DS is going to be a very unhappy chap if he can't memorise them!

maizieD · 08/02/2010 21:58

OK. First of all, I am saying that your children should not be asked to memorise these words as 'wholes', without any reference to relationship between the individual sounds in them and the letters which represent those sounds (the obvious exception is the word 'I'!). I am not saying that your children shouldn't remember them, just that they should go into memory through the sounding out and blending route, not by trying to remember the 'look' of the whole word as if it were a picture.

Why not? Because your children 'should' be learning their letter/sound correspondences and how to work out what any word 'says' that uses the correpondences they have learned so far. The way that they should work out what a word 'says' is by saying the sound for each letter (or group of letters, such as 'sh')from left to right, all through the word, then blending those sounds together to produce the word. This has to be practised until the recognition of the letter/sound correspondences is automatic and the process of sounding out and blending is so automatic that the brain can 'take over' and do it so quickly and automatically that the reader doesn't even know it's done it. They just see the word and say it...

Learning words as 'wholes', at best, interferes with the development of this automatic decoding and blending and 'may' affect the development of the left to right eye tracking needed for reading (this is not an automatic process, but is a learned one). At worst, it can thoroughly confuse children who don't know which strategy they are supposed to use when confronted with a 'new' word; do they sound it out and blend it or are they supposed to be able to tell what it is from its shape and appearance? Children frequently resort to guessing when faced with this confusion! Once guessing becomes a habit it is very difficult to eradicate (I know, that is my job in KS3).

Learning words as wholes has a bad effect on spelling (that should put you off, if nothing else does ) Apart from the lucky few children with photographic memories, many children who have learned words as 'wholes' can't remember the detail of the letter order within the words and, as they haven't been trained to pay close attention to the link between the sounds and the letters in the word they can often reproduce the letters of the word in completely the wrong order.

Teaching the unusual (i.e unusual for the child at that particular stage in their phonics instruction) letter/sound correspondence explicitly means that a) the child retains the necessary letters/sounds connections and b) they may well incidentally recognise the 'tricky' correspondence in other words (such as when you are sharing a book with them) and so effortlessly extend their reading vocabulary.

The High Frequency Words are No Big Deal. There is nothing intrinsically special or important about them. They are not difficult, most of them are perfectly easy to sound out and blend; they are just taught before the children have the phonic knowledge to attack them independently because it is believed that it is easier to write more realistic practice texts (i.e Readers) if some HFWs are included.

There is no advantage to teaching your child the whole lot all in one go; they should, if your child's teacher is half decent at phonics teaching, be introduced gradually as whatever programme they are using dictates. I'm not sure that they are even an assessment focus any more in EY/KS1.

If you google Letters and Sounds and download Phase 2 you will see how and when the govt guidance says they should be taught and introduced.

I hate them!!!

ihearttc · 09/02/2010 11:03

Thats really interesting Maizie but what about children who have these photographic memories...isn't it possible to do both? My DS is in reception and Ive posted a whole discussion on his ability to memorise these tricky words but we are also doing the whole Jolly Phonics thing as well. In his school they have 100 words to learn by the end of reception and he has done them all already...it seems like he just looks at a word and remembers it. He isn't like it with numbers at all and still gets very confused with numbers yet with words he is amazing (well he is to me anyway lol!) so I would assume he is both memorising the word and looking at the structure of it.

I actually think these key words are a big deal...not the fact that the schools are telling us as parents to help our child learn them but they have helped his confidence so much. Surely its easier to read a book which has got words such as:-and,it,the etc in them by knowing what the word is rather than having to sound it out all the time.

Hulababy · 09/02/2010 11:08

My DD, I think, picked up reading very quickly through whole word recognition. She was doing ohonics alongside this - but that was how she just learnt herself (if that makes sense). No one made he memorise words; she seemed to just do it that way.

This si fine for reading.

However it makes spelling much more tricky. They need to be able to do the phonics sie of things to help with the spelling aspect of letters and sounds.

maizieD · 09/02/2010 16:56

"Surely its easier to read a book which has got words such as:-and,it,the etc in them by knowing what the word is rather than having to sound it out all the time."

I don't know where this idea comes from that learning phonics means that a child has to sound out and blend a word every time it reads it. Usually it only takes two or three repetitions of sounding out and blending for the word to get into memory; some children can do it after one repetition, some take 100! Once it is in memory (as I think I explained earlier) the child will read it straight off, without needing to overtly sound out and blend, but the sounding out and blending process is still going on at an unconscious level, taking a matter of milliseconds. It is the embedding of this route to 'instant' word recognition which is important as it the sounding out and blending strategy which will be vital as children encounter unfamiliar and more complex words. There is a limit to the number of words which can be learned as 'wholes'; once this is reached the child who has memorised words in this way, and is not secure with their phonic knowledge, will be completely stuck when they encounter new words.

This could well acccount for the '3rd grade dip' in reading phenomenom which is particularly evident in the US where whole word teaching reigns supreme and their phonics teaching lags way behind the UK.

Apparent 'photograpic memory' may well be a result of a child having an excellent grasp of sounding out and blending and being able to apply it rapidly, or, having an excellent memory for 'wholes'at the moment. I would keep a close eye on this sort of child and try and ensure that it is the former. Only a very exceptional child will be able to memorise the thousands of words needed for a good reading vocabulary (a standard English dictionary contains about 250,000 words; when David Crystal did a word count on The Sun newspaper it contained 8,000 discrete words)

I said that teaching words as 'wholes' can be confusing for children and, lo and behold, I have just read, on another thread, someone saying that their child is now learning 'sight words' (which they really shouldn't be if the school is teaching the phonics properly) and is getting confused between sounds and words

Please don't forget that your Reception age children are at the very beginning of their learning to read 'journey'. They will be given carefully controlled texts to read which, if they are of the ORT type, will have been written to promote word memorisation with a controlled vocabulary and lots of repetition; once they are off the ORT, a significant number of apparently 'good readers' may start to struggle...

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