DS1 shouting out the answer and pre empting the teacher - please help

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We are at our wits end. DS1 (turnes 6 on friday) is shouting out the answer in class. Teacher asks 10+10 and ds1 shouts 20 before another children has started to think

He is also pre empting the teacher we have no idea how to deal with this. The teacher is punishing him with removing 'golden time' she also stood him infront of the whole school last week to humiliate it out of him - its not working. She has been teaching a long time and does things her way.

What can we do? How can this be turned into a positive and chanelled?

Er Adair. Yes read your posts. I also said that humiliating children is not a good thing. But surely at 6 years old any child should be able to understand that they need to wait. I accept that at pre-school etc it is difficult to teach them that they must wait for others to speak and therefore need to acknowledge them. But 6 is pretty old to be butting in imo.

But no-one is saying don't do anything about it? Just that the parent can only do so much at home, surely it is the teacher who will have to deal with it on the spot. We all (including adults) have our annoying habits - think it's a bit much to expect anyone 6 year olds to be perfect all the time. Teacher should note different kid's tendencies and have strategies in place to deal with/pre-empt them. IMVHO.

It depends on how often he is doing it though Adair. Reading the thread, my impression, and maybe wrongly was that he was doing it a lot. Reading back I may have got that wrong. I agree that if it is once in a while then that would be normal for a 6 year old due to overexcitment and enthusiasm. If it is a lot or continuous, then it isnt imo. By 6 children should have learnt that turns to answer should be taken and class rules should be followed. It would be very difficult for the other children if he keeps at it. And yes, you could ask him if the answer given was right, or let him read the questions etc but that could be totally demotivating for the other children and be seen as rewarding bad behaviour. In my eldest dds class there is a boy very similar to this but also over enthusiastic in a lot of senses. The teacher has done wonders for him by giving him a lot of responsibility etc, but at the expense of a number of the good children - two of whom have left. My dd came home the other day, aged 8, and said 'mummy - I am going to start being naughty from now on and not following class rules as you get stickers when you are good that way'. A very good quite little girl in the class said to her mum recently - 'it doesnt matter if I dont do my homework as he (teacher) nevers notices whatever we do - he only looks after .... (and named the 'over enthusiastic children)'.

I had a similar pupil in my class (a lovely boy, but very impulsive and would always act/shout out before thinking)

After lots of discussion we agreed that he would have a post it note on his table and if he shouted out he had to put a tally mark on it. His target was to have less than 10 by the end of the morning.
It worked really well, and after about a week we were able to stop using the post it notes.
Funnily enough I am teaching him again (I have moved classes) and we were talking about it today.

He and the girl have been seperated, they are still on the same table (as table equals abilities in this class) but on opposite sides

I know that shouting out is bad manners and it is something we need to address. He isn't doing it to be rude, he just can't contain himself. His normal politeness (p's & q's) are fine.

DH will be talking with him tomorrow as I am currently 'horrid mummy'. We will crack this (or crack up!!) as yes I am going to go through this teacher a few more times.

Thank you for your ideas and suggestions

I was going to say whiteboards but Humphrey already has done.

Frogetyfrog, oh yes. This is one of my bugbears actually. I rang home for a pupil (secondary) every single week for a whole year to tell his mum that he was utterly fantastic (quiet, polite, sweet, possibly going unnoticed in other classes) and that I didn't want him to change. Tbh it is impossible to second-guess what would work in the actual classroom situation - I gave examples of what I might do. Obviously, you wouldn't single out 'Fred' every time, and it would be one small sentence in a lesson . All I was saying is that it should be the teacher dealing with it first and foremost (and not at the expense of others. Inclusion is about ALL children obviously).

Agree, too many less experienced teachers are unable to include all the children in their class - it is definitely a skill. Jumpeduppantryboy, sounds like a good plan.

I think the whiteboards are a good idea as would be praising him for waiting his turn to speak. He sounds like the type of child who needs a challenge, and giving him something to do which uses his intelligence without disrupting the whole class would be useful.

But to be honest, from what you've said about this teacher, the best thing is to teach your son that it is rude to shout out (which it is). Can you explain to him that even if he knows the answer, the polite thing to do is put up his hand. I'm sure you have done this but keep reiterating it. Maybe if he realised that other children probably know the answer at the same time he does, yet they don't shout it out, he may realise he is being inconsiderate?

Waiting his turn to speak is part of his social development, self control and consideration for others. He has to learn to so it sooner or later.

Also whilst I dont think she should have humiliated him infront of the whole school, it is a behaviour issue, as most classroom rules include children waiting their turn to speak. So if he gets suitably punished for repeatedly shouting out I think you need to appear to back the teacher over it. However much you may disagree in reality.

frogetyfrog,
I really do not get the purpose of your post though...
Obviously, the teacher is responsible of trying his/her best to strike the right balance in the class and to allow everybody to have the opportunity to speak/participate/feel they get enough support and attention (if this is possible with 30 kids). And of course, we have all had this kind of personality who takes over a classroom. Is it OK to make that person (here a 6 yo) feel miserable for it, undermine his self-esteem so the others feel justice has been done?

Please oogs, explain to your child how the situation may be perceived from outside, and perhaps give him a couple of tips on how to 'accommodate' his behaviour to the mass. However, tell him too you may not agree with the way the teacher is dealing with it. Do not make him feel down just because a teacher does not know how to deal with this kind of (otherwise extremely common) behaviour.

cat64.. cannot agree more with you..
I bet there is not a single class from primary school to postgraduate teaching where you cannot find this kind of person.
However, it is the first time I hear about punishing for it.

frogety - just wondering if you are ds1's teacher?