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happyharry · 23/11/2009 16:21

Just wondering when your dc had spelling to take home and learn for oral test at school.

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Northumberlandlass · 23/11/2009 16:34

DS just started Yr1 in September he gets 6 spellings on a Monday for a written test on a Friday morning.
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LIZS · 23/11/2009 16:34

year 1 iirc

ultra · 23/11/2009 17:37

My dd, Year 1 but an older one ,has just started bringing home 5 words - no test but will be checked on in written work to see that they are applying them - if they do they will be provided with more words. My other daughter used to be given 10 words a week and tested - usually got 10/10 but very often did not apply them in her work!

Hulababy · 23/11/2009 17:58

From Y1 for DD.

However, I do not hold much opinion on spelling tests. Research shows they have no real bearing on a child's ability to spell. Many children can spell for a learnt test, but not in their normal written work. My 7y DD (Y3) is an example of this and we recently discovered she has dyslexic tendancies, despite getting full marks in learnt weekly spelling tests and being an excellent reader. However her independent written work shws some dreadful spelling patterns! Luckily school have poicked up on it quickly and she is having dyslexic type support which is working well.

thecloudhopper · 23/11/2009 19:11

I would just like to say I am rather anti spellings as it tends not to help their writing.

pointydogg · 23/11/2009 19:22

anti spellings or anti-spelling tests?

mussyhillmum · 24/11/2009 10:22

DS had "have a go" spellings in Y2. He is now in Y3 and brings home about 30 words a week. That sounds worse than it is - they all tend to be the same letter pattern (ie this week it is words ending in "le") and are quite simple. DS hasn't had any words which he has had to "learn". I read them out and he writes them down.

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throckenholt · 24/11/2009 10:35

hulababy - can you tell me more of what her spelling is like ?

Your description sounds very like my son (yr4 8 yrs old). Can usually learn words for spelling tests, often gets 10/10 but doesn't carry those spellings through into normal writing.

Will write things like sevn (7) and helpfl.

Hulababy · 24/11/2009 19:06

DD puts in random combinations in the middle. So dosn't apply her knowledge of ow, ou, ai, ea, etc in her written work. And sometimes she will get them correct in her written work, and other times totally random.

She knows her phonics for reading, and reads very well. But doesn't seem to be able to consistently apply them in her work when writing independently.

Her spelling age is actually, when assessed, slightly above her chronical age, but there is a big gap between her spelling age and her reading age, which apparently flags things up.

DD is very lucky as her class teacher noticed this last year (end of Y2) and passed er over to the support teacher at school. She has assessed her and DD isn't dyslexic but has some tendancies similar to dyslexia, so she felt that some of the strategies would work well for her. She is lucky that the support teacher is able to do this - she sees her once a week along with another child with similar issues - despite her not having anny learning difficulties as such, etc. Just half a term has already made a big difference, especially in terms of confidence.

She also has sme letter reversals and makes transposition erros within words, and she forms some letters incorrectly and has developed an unusual pen grip (strange as it was very good when she was smaller). Part of the reason for the letter formation comes from her teaching herself to write at 2-3 years old, and me not realising what she was doing, and it becoming a bit ingrained. Now diffcultt o knock out of her. Ths affects her ability to do well presented joined up writing. Which in turn means that her writing doesn't flow as well as it could - which again can affect the spelling issue. Not 100% clear on all that, lol.

MollieO · 24/11/2009 21:47

Yr 1. Ds gets 10 per week for written test on Monday. They have to write them out three times in their spelling books too. Mix of mostly 4 and 5 letter words with one longer word (8 letters). Usually a theme - 'sh', 'th' etc.

throckenholt · 25/11/2009 12:40

hulababy - that is really interesting.

My DS is 8 (yr 4) - was very slow to read - only got to grips with it in probably mid Y2. He now has an "above average reading age" - but I am not sure what that means.

One thing I notice is that when he meets unfamiliar words he is not good at sounding them out - which he was never good at. Same with writing. He can learn things for tests - but does not seem to learn and apply the rules.

He also still writes some letters back to front often - p, d etc. Again not sure how common that is at his age (he is my PFB !). My twins who are 18 months behind him agewise are more proficient with sound recognition than he is.

No-one has ever mentioned dyslexia to us (we have no history of it in any of our family either). He does have similar issues with number work too - is very good spatially, is numerate in the way he thinks - but does not get number patterns, and often goes blank when trying to manipulate numbers.

I have a book recommended by a friend which is aimed at teaching spelling to dyslexics - I think I will have a go with it at home and see if it helps.

thecloudhopper · 25/11/2009 18:13

anti spelling tests

pollywobbledoodle · 25/11/2009 18:21

year 1, just started learning 10 words for a quiz a week, some kids have more and some less to learn, easy so far like he and me, the odd one a bit harder like was.

Hulababy · 25/11/2009 18:34

"One thing I notice is that when he meets unfamiliar words he is not good at sounding them out - which he was never good at. Same with writing. He can learn things for tests - but does not seem to learn and apply the rules."

DD is in Y3 - she is 7y7m. Sounds like DD, although she picked up reading very quickly within the first weeks of reception. However she sight reads and always did, She will memorise a word once she has seen it and knows what it says. So, when she coems across new unfamiliar words she will guess rather than sound it out. Or she just wants someone to tell her what it is - because once she's been told, she just knows it. Same with the spelling tests I think too, ahe memorises for the test but the spelling patterns don;t seem to stick without a lot (and I mean a lot) of reinforcement.

DD does know her sounds indidvidually but finds it harder to apply them.

"He also still writes some letters back to front often - p, d etc"

DD also reverses some letters and until recently some numbers. She would also write 12 as 21, etc. This has improved massively this year. Wether it is what the support teacher has done I don't know, or if she just grew out of it. I know the support teacher has given her strategies to remember which way round b and d go for example, and I have seen DD use these strategies to check her work.

"often goes blank when trying to manipulate numbers."

I find this interesting. DD is confident in almost all aspects. She will sing solos, perform on stage, do readings, etc. However when it comes to maths she panics and loses her head. She can do it. We have seen her do it and school have seen her do it. She is very logical with Maths - her teacher laughed at parent's evening about how logically she works in Maths. However her confidence in maths ability is zero. She says her mind goes blank and she can't think. This means mental maths can be a nightmare for her as she panics if he has to work fast, esp without writing workings down. In other maths it takes her a good while to relax into it, and remember what her head needs to do, but once sorted in her head she copes fine.

I had never ever considered dyslexia, esp as her reading is so good and always has been. And TBF she doesn't have dyslexia according to the supprt teacher's assessments. But she does have dyslexic type tendancies, which some of the strategies can, and do, help. As I said before, we are already noticing a difference in DD's written work and her confidence with written work this term - after just 1 few weeks of 20 minutes sessions a week. She is writing way more and etting more of her fab ideas down on paper and presented better. I know we are lucky that it was picked up and noted, and even more lucky that the school have acted upon it. I know she wouldn't have got the supprt in many schools for her level of difficulties.

asdx2 · 25/11/2009 19:25

Dd had a spellings test weekly from reception in her first school (EYFS) This continued into year one. She moved schools part way through year one and no spellings, now in year two she has just started again with the words she started with in reception at the first school.

asdx2 · 25/11/2009 19:25

Dd had a spellings test weekly from reception in her first school (EYFS) This continued into year one. She moved schools part way through year one and no spellings, now in year two she has just started again with the words she started with in reception at the first school.

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