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Moving a summer kid down a year. Can it be done?

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HelpPleaseSendChocolate · 06/06/2009 20:26

I want to move my DSs from Home Ed to School, but REALLY want my summer-born boys to go into a younger year. It's not working! Has anyone managed it? Any advice gratefully received.

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Goblinchild · 07/06/2009 12:56

Bobbysmum, that's why people need to understand and read about the Steiner school of education if they are to understand what the benefits and drawbacks are.
It is an alternative education, completely different to the mainstream sort.
You can't go by what your local primary is doing and compare them. it's not comparable.

HelpPleaseSendChocolate · 07/06/2009 13:43

Thanks for your thoughts!

Had to leave Steiner because of cost. Kids had wonderful time - happy & confident. My main aim.

Plusonemore - oooo. Have you got anymore info on what Govt's been saying?

Fox - thanks! Reassuring about DS2 6/7yrs! I think you're right.

Sadly we are not near Leeds - Cambridge.

Lady, mrz, Trikerg - Secondary - you're right - I need to investigate. My friend's DD joined lower year in Secondary , but she waited til Y6 to ask!

Clary - your DS2 diary sooo sweet!

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mrz · 07/06/2009 13:51

I'm afraid the flexibility issue only relates to children entering reception before their fifth birthday at the moment I'm afraid BBC report

HelpPleaseSendChocolate · 07/06/2009 13:53

PS
Goblinchild - hmmm. Thank you. Yes - you're right. Lots to think about...

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HelpPleaseSendChocolate · 07/06/2009 14:00

mrz - thanks very much! It's a start.

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JLo2 · 07/06/2009 15:55

Not sure about Cambs, but it is certainly done at primary and secondary here in Herts if parents are determined enough. I have known 1 child who has gone straight from Year 5 to Year 7 (at parent's request), but I have also known a number of children (particularly summer born) who have stayed out of year group all the way through from Year 1/2. Here in Herts it is not seen as a major issue by schools, although County discourage it as it is not seen as a good example of 'inclusive education'

Having said all that, I also know a child who came out of Steiner at Year 3, stayed within her year group and made huge progress very quickly, with lots of support from the school and her parents and is now in Year 6 and is average or above in all subjects.

northernrefugee39 · 07/06/2009 20:53

Helppleasesendchocolate, our children left steiner school and entered mainstream.

I think what Goblinchild says is wonderful- you must be a great teacher Goblin. It is the social aspect which will be the hardest. And having to answer questions and be proactive and creative in the classroom, rather than absorb, copy, and listen to the teacher. In contrast, the playground will be different too, because they will be supervised, and not able to do exactly as they please without adult intervention.

Our eldest was 11, and was quickly disagnosed as dyslexic by her new school( the steiner school hadn't recognised this, or gave it an anthro definition). she has caught up remarkably, thanks to an amazing school, and a lot of extra help.

Our middle dc had been at primary school before steiner, lost her ability to read and write to fit in at Steiner ( and because she wasn't allowed to read or write there) and very quickly caught up.

Our youngest would be the most comparable to your dc,s. She could barely write at all, and couldn't read aged nearly 8.
Again, we had a wonderful school, who had had people from this Steiner school before ( I think it's common for children to leave Steiner and enter mainstream in many areas).
She initially went in with children 1-2 yrs younger than her, but it is a tiny village school. She learnt incredibly fast- which I'm sure your dc will.
It was down to the fantastic help from the school, and the fact she had been longing to read and write, but obviously was held back at steiner because her teeth hadn't come in.

We were so lucky that the schools knew what to expect in a way, and went out of their way to help .

I hope it works out for you all. The change feels quite different to begin with.

HelpPleaseSendChocolate · 07/06/2009 21:59

Yes, a great message from GoblinChild - thought provoking.

Northernrefugee39 - sounds promising. Are you glad you changed? Is it still working out?

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Clary · 08/06/2009 00:09

helpplease - that's a very good post from goblinchild and helpful I am sure.

The emotional maturity etc would surely mean yr DC would catch up quickly.

I wasn't trying to scare you with my posts (I am sure you didn't take it like that) and while we can see that yr DC would be behind in academic ways, it sound slike they might well be ahead in many others - and would catch up with the rest soon enough.

On that basis I would not worry too much about dropping them down a year because of where they are in learning terms - I think it would cause more problems than it solved (wrt missing a year later etc) and as fosinsox suggests, there is a huge range in most primaries. Certainly I know children in yr 2 who can barely write more than a few words.

northernrefugee39 · 08/06/2009 12:38

HelpPlease- yes- we are all absolutely delighted to have moved, and yes, it's still working out.

They love their schools- all of them, particularly the youngest. They have a hunger for learning and books. The eldest and the youngest love science particularly, the middle one reading. The eldest has done really well in art too, she's excited by the freedom to use different media and techniques - copying the wet on wet was quite restrictive for her.
I miss ther fact they're not outdoors as much- (the youngest is still at primary though, so they do go out quite a lot) and I miss the singing, although they all, including the secondary school, have compulsory music. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised about how great state school is actually! There's very little testing, they do amazing activities, many do languages now. Most primary schools are very creative and the children are stimulated and nurtured so well.

What size school will yours be going to? Are the head/teachers aware and sympathetic to your situation? Have they had other exsteiner children?

We've been extremely lucky, I'm very aware of it. I really hope you are too.
I would take on board what goblinchild said though, if the schools they are going to don't know about Steiner's teaching - maybe a Gilbert Childs book or something; trying to condense the whole belief system into an objective picture would be impossible!

I'm so sorry for your situation, in that you still want your dcs there but can't. It's not only the earning money when you're a parent there is it? It's having to be available in the afternoons until they're 10'ish, and the helpingwith cleaning, gardening and fundraising. I don't know how most people do it tbh, unless they have a private income, because it's crippling.
I understand how difficult it is.

Moving schools is a huge huge decision.

It would be disingenious of me not to say that we left because we don't believe in anthroposophee; also, at our school the teaching was dire, there was bullying not delt with, and when we read Steiner's work, and found out about anthroposophy, we were horrified and angry that we hadn't been told anything about it or how integral it is to the method and content of the schools. The lead up to our decision to leave was fraught with meetings where questions weren't answered, or teachers actually turning and disappearing as we tried to arrange a meeting to talk.
So we are looking at it from different view points as it were.

Also- we aren't actually allowed to discuss this on mumsnet- if you search the archives you'll see why.
You're welcome to cat me. I hope the transistion goes well.

TubOfLardWithInferiorRange · 08/06/2009 16:31

Exactly what mrz said. I know someone who moved from Steiner into state system at a year lower-at, I think, year 2 or 3. Now he's going back to Steiner and moving back up from year 7 to year 8. So if they have to catch up with the other children their age sooner or later I guess I would pick sooner.

lingle · 11/06/2009 10:25

I am in Bradford LEA and my child is starting reception at 5.0 in 2010 but as said above, the Government's suggestion of greater flexibility was not taken up.

HelpPleaseSendChocolate · 12/06/2009 00:15

Thank you everyone, for your experiences and help! I feel a lot more confident about changing school now! Brill!

Ooops! Didn't know I shouldn't discuss this on mumsnet (I've been waiting to use that smiley!).

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katiestar · 12/06/2009 16:25

I wouldn't move your child down a year.It ios more important they are with children of the same maturity ,they will soon catch up with the reading and writing which is only a small part aaspect of school.

Goblinchild · 12/06/2009 21:44

I'm going to remember the compliments, so that when I p*ss someone off on another thread, I can cheer myself up.
It just seemed like common sense really, but thanks for being kind to a new poster.

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