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teachers - just quick question about school policy

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missmuddle · 21/05/2009 21:26

been meaning to ask this for ages.
If a parent was collecting from your primary school and you knew she was drunk (history of alcohol abuse known to the school. Do you have any right to make other arrangments for her child

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mrz · 21/05/2009 21:32

Yes

missmuddle · 21/05/2009 21:33

can you expand on that please

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scienceteacher · 21/05/2009 21:37

Yes, you could intervene - if a parent is drunk, you could suspect child abuse - neglect.

mrz · 21/05/2009 21:37

If you consider the adult is drunk and the child will be endangered you can contact Social Services and report the situation (not something to be done lightly)

cazzybabs · 21/05/2009 21:39

We wouldn't let a child home with that parent.

cazzybabs · 21/05/2009 21:40

I think you would have to have proof she was drunk....not just playground hearsay.

melissa75 · 21/05/2009 21:47

It actually depends on a lot of individual circumstances...I had a situation very similar to this 4 years ago with one of my year two children.

The parent actually does have the right to take the child, drunk or not, but the Head would obviously become involved and can contact social services immediately, and dependant on the circumstances, they may make an immediate appearance, or not.

One of the biggest problems is that you can obviously tell through smelling someones breath and by their general behaviour if they are intoxicated, but the argument becomes that you cannot make that diagnosis unless you are a medical doctor or a law enforcement officer (this is what I ran into with the child I had who I mentioned above)...and if it were to go to a court (if the parent were to sue) then it would not hold up in court. This is all worst case scenarios of course, but based only on the information you have provided, no, you cannot legally deny a parent to take the child, unless there has already been a court ruling saying that if she/he shows up drunk you have the right to not release said child to them.

missmuddle · 21/05/2009 21:57

thanks for that its really interesting because i think that teachers should be able to intervene - in this circumstance i can guarantee its not playground gossip.

Just out of interest did you intervene with your child melissa75

Plus as a teacher how would you feel if something happened to the child as a result of parents alcohol abuse

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cazzybabs · 21/05/2009 22:02

I think you may be liable...child protection and all

ravenAK · 21/05/2009 22:05

Liable to report to the designated CP person, yes, who then passes it on to SS.
I think you'd be on terribly dodgy ground detaining the child.

Hulababy · 21/05/2009 22:05

When my DD was at nursery they sent a letter out to parents to say that they were unable to release any child into the care of a parent who they considered to be drunk.

missmuddle · 21/05/2009 22:09

I think that if their is a known history the school should have contact numbers for other adults who are able to collect the child and the parent should agree to this teachers shouuld not knowing hand a child over to anyone who is incapable of looking after them

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melissa75 · 21/05/2009 22:11

I was new to the situation when this arose for me 4 years ago, having never been through it at the end of the day before with a parent who was obviously intoxicated. I did not feel comfortable releasing the child to their mother, so I told mum that the office wanted to have a quick word with her and asked her to come with me, as I was not sure what to do, and the only other colleague outside with me was a supply that day. I escorted the parent and child in to the office and went into talk to the Head to explain what my concerns were, it was then that she said we were not allowed to with hold the child unless we had a court order. We had to release her, and I had to file a child protection concern with the Head who was our child protection advisor. She called social services, and they said they were not able to show up as it was a first time "offence" of the parent showing up intoxicated, even though the family was well known to social services. They said they would log it, and keep it on file...what a joke was my reaction to that.

In answer to how would I feel if something happened to the child...absolutely disgusted.

In that year, 4 years ago, I was working in a VERY inner city school with children who had seen more in their 6 years of life than many see in an entire lifetime. I sent children home who I knew were being abused in all forms and ways and I could not do a damn thing about it, and it totally disgusted me that noone was there to help them. I did as much as I could, I reported their disclosures and their behaviours which made it blatantly obvious as to what was happening to them at home, as they knew things about grown up topics that no child of that age would have intimate details about unless they had experienced it for themselves. I had children whose parents were drug addicts, others who left their kids at home on their own whilst they went down to the pub for the evening, sometimes not coming home till the next morning, you name it, we had it in this school.

I did the best I could under the circumstances and tried to provide them with some security and reliability for when they were at school, but I was not their parent, and the social services register is SO chock a block full with cases, that sometimes some of these kids fall through the cracks of the system. It absolutely devastated me knowing I was sending these kids home to this at the end of each day, but as long as I saw them walk through my classroom door the next morning, I knew we had another day. Some of them, the abuse was so bad, that I did not know if I would see them the next day or not. Sending them home at the start of a holiday made my heart drop, as that meant a whole week or two at home being exposed to abuse. I honestly wanted to take them all home with me, but I learnt the hard way that you have to detach yourself from it, as difficult as that is, but otherwise your entire life is consumed by it, which is what ended up happening to me which is why I had to quit, and change to another school, as my family, and most of all me could not deal with it anymore. Sounds terrible I know, giving up on those kids, but when you see nothing being done about it from those that are there to supposedly be helping, it just beats you down.

missmuddle · 21/05/2009 22:15

thats really sad melissa but thanks for the response

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