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No sounds remembered after a term and a half. How can we help?

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savoycabbage · 13/05/2009 10:37

I am asking this for a friend. We live in Australia. She has a five year old son who has been at mainstream school now for a term and a half. He has been diagnosed with autism before he started school. He does find it hard to concentrate. Not in a disruptive way though.

In our school the children are taught a sound a week. So they have stories and do activities that are based around that letter. They think of words that start with that letter and write sentences. EG in 'h' week they read 'There's a hippopotamus on my roof eating cake', they made hedgehog biscuits, they wrote about a helicopter.

He is just not getting it at all and has trouble even telling his Mum what the sound of the week is. She has been asked to prepare him in advance at the weekends now. The teacher has asked her to make a scrapbook at home of things that start with the letter of the week so that he has a bit more of an idea for the next week. So, she did at he weekend and then on Monday morning she asked him what the letter was going to be and he didn't know.

I don't think that they way that they are being taught is very inspired but to me it seems senseless to ask her to do something with him at home that is so clearly not working at school. I think that she needs to be doing something else with him, that is different. But what? She is aware that he is dropping behind now. He is capable of learning to read but needs to do so in a different way from what is being offered to him at the moment. Any ideas?

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neolara · 13/05/2009 14:09

What works is:
explicitly teaching the letter sound (e.g. pointing at the letter and saying "h", getting child to repeat it)
if child can't do it, give an immediate correction
practising little and often (e.g. 2 mins twice or three times a day)
teaching till they know the letter like the back of their hand
only adding new letters when the child shows he knows the "old" letters backwards.

So a typical two min session could be:
mum - "h" (while pointing at a h)
child - repeats "h"
mum - points at a h but doesn't say anything
child - "h"
mum - "a" (while pointing at an a)
child - repeats "a"
mum - points at a but doesn't say anything
child - "I can't remember"
mum - "a" (while pointing at a)
child - repeats "a" etc

A child with autism might find this very structured approach very helpful.

This approach is based on extensive research which has gone on in Essex and has been shown to be phenomonally successful. It has other components, but virtually all children learn to read easily using this approach through whole class teaching. Teachers who I have met who have used it have been universally evangelical about it.

savoycabbage · 14/05/2009 00:29

Thankyou very much Neolara. That is very helpful and so simple. I will try and google the report too.

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gigglewitch · 14/05/2009 00:59

I teach in a specialist ASD provision, will wander back in tomorrow (when brain might be working, it's gone to sleep now sorry) and re-read everything.

my hunch says go multisensory but will come back and re-read properly, and explain what I mean!

drivinmecrazy · 14/05/2009 01:13

My DD1 (8) was part of early phoentic 'experiment' neolara is refering to and it absolutely works with 'normal' kids. My DD jumped reading levels so fast when her school joined the scheme. It is also based on pure phonics (alcohol addled brain can't remember the exact title of scheme) but more pure than jolly phonics.

savoycabbage · 14/05/2009 07:57

The way they are teaching them to read here just isn't working. I'm lucky because my dd started school in September in England so by the time we got here she could read.

They seem to want them to learn this letter every week and also send home lists of 10 words at a time that they are just expected to learn. It seems like a load of rubbish to me.

drivinmecrazy was it Read, Write, inc? We are going to try doing what Neolara has suggested.

Gigglewitch, I would really appreciate any advice. He seems quite mildly autistic to me. Not that I'm an expert. I didn't notice until I had known him for eight weeks. He really doesn't get the way they are doing it and is starting to switch off now. I suppose he must be really bored.

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neolara · 14/05/2009 09:59

The research is known as "ERR", which stands for "Early Reading Research" and has been led by Jonathan Solity. I'm not sure that a google will give you the details of how to impliment it though.

neolara · 14/05/2009 10:07

Sorry, pressed "post message" too soon.

I'm not that familiar with ReadWrite, but my understanding is that ERR has many similarities with ReadWrite. They both follow structured teaching of phonics and also explicitly show children how to blend sounds together to make words (e.g. c-a-t cat).

However, I think the main difference is that in ERR children are taught the most frequent 100 words by sight (i.e. they do not try to sound them out, they just learn to look at them and say them). The rationale for this is that these 100 words make up 50% of all words in books, so to be able to read them straight off makes the whole process of reading super easy and children feel like they are making good progress quickly. (The next 100 most common words only make up about an addition 2% of words in text so it is better to learn these words through sounding out methods.)

maverick · 14/05/2009 10:10

I suggest she gets a copy of 'Bearing Away', a basic phonics programme for pupils with complex learning difficulties; 10 minutes, one-to-one daily, scripted, no training required www.prometheantrust.org/bearingaway.htm

gigglewitch · 14/05/2009 10:12

right, don't take this as expert opinion because I don't work with very small children, more with teens. However, we are still on this level of learning with some people.

As far as those I work with goes, trying to teach them separate letters simply doesn't work, because basically it doesn't mean anything - thus they find it confusing. They need whole words. I have found over the years that basically we need to treat our students with asc (autistic spectrum conditions) as if they have dyslexia - which might sound weird, but to an extent there are many parallels. We tend to look at whole words alongside a symbol or photograph, as many people with asc are visual learners. A big part of the autism is that they have limited (or no) ability to imagine something which isn't straight in front of them, thus everything needs to be concrete. Meaning that you show them one of the thing you are talking about. I've had successful programmes where we've made an initial letter out of bendy foam / lego / salt dough! often the salt dough or paint we use has a smell to it as well, going truly multisensory - like putting curry powder in the red paint, lavender in the purple paint or whatever... but on the whole teaching single letters isn't anywhere near the top of the list in our priorities.
Many very able people I've worked with who are capable of explaining their autism in extremely clear terms, tell me that they consider themselves "forgetful" - which of course they are not per se, but they have difficulties with short term memory and become anxious very quickly, having easily accessible lists does help. Every one of the students I work with has their own card with a minimum of "now and next" pictures/symbols/photo's on it; some also have anything up to a whole day worth of activities. They are in pictures or whatever that person uses, and are on a strip of velcro, placed in order from left to right. When each thing is done, the picture (or whatever) is removed - as "finished" is the most important thing for students with autism. They need to know where things begin and end so that they understand what's happening, otherwise the anxiety takes over and they achieve nothing.

Neolara's stuff sounds fantastic. I'm wondering if there is any way to make that approach even more multisensory, as well as a written letter and spoken sound, maybe add tactile elements (some letters in sandpaper, some in different texture of fabric) and even another sensory aspect like smell.

IMHO, he really does need some autism specific input, as the mainstream environment is often very very difficult for children with asc to work in, too much noise, bright lights, distractions and confusion (anyone moving in the room is unpredictable and therefore stressful for them).

sorry, huge post, amd trying to cram tons of info into a short (ish) space. Would suggest that they look at changing the priorities completely, he may need to understand more and attach more meaning to things before he can learn to actually read.

gigglewitch · 14/05/2009 10:13

wow - maveric, fantastic

savoycabbage · 14/05/2009 10:39

Wow! These are great ideas. I feel quite excited to see what may work. I did try and google the Essex research this morning but I couldn't find it. I will obviously look again now I have his name

gigglewitch, with the sensory letter idea, would you have one letter in sandpaper and then another in velvet or whatever? Thankyou for your huge post! I would never have thought of smells. My friend is really creative so will be able to do these ideas.

Our school is teaching them whole words rather than phonics. Not with any pictures though. I wonder if it is the same sort of thing as Neolara has mentioned. I hope that it is because at least then I would feel that there was some sort of thinking and research behind what they are doing. To me, he is being asked to read 'and' but he doesn't know what an 'a' is or what sound it makes so he can't.

will let her know about the 'bearing away' book too. Thanks Maverick. They haven't got it in Amazon though. They are about the only people who will post anything to us here. Will try USA Amazon.

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gigglewitch · 14/05/2009 10:55

yes you have to think of a load of different colours or textures
we do one for each word - for core vocab. have fun!
Don't take any of it as prescriptive, just try a load of ideas and stuff out with your friend and her ds, and individualise everything as much as you want. SHE [and you] knows her son best and will have hunches what will work...

savoycabbage · 14/05/2009 11:17

Thankyou so much.

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maverick · 14/05/2009 11:53

savoycabbage, do contact the promethean trust people directly re. the Bearing Away programme. I'm pretty sure they'll post the programme materials to another country, if you ask.

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