What year do they start learning the times tables??

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or at least at the end of which year are they supposed to start knowing at least some of them???

end of year 11 I think

2x, 5x and 10x in Y2

3x and 4x in Y3 (maybe more depending on ability)

6x, 7x, 8x and 9x follow on at child's pace.

Numeracy strategy expects average child to know them well by end Y5

LOL = that's not very helpful

basically DS1 (8 - YR3) has a Times Tables Challenge coming up at school. While firing a few at him to help him practice DS2 (5 - YR) has been working them out in his head using his fingers.

It's blatantly obvious that he totally understands the concept of multiplication and he's keen for me to help him learn his too...........BUT I don't want him to end up miles ahead of his peer group - I mean the way he is with numbers I can see him very quickly learning all of the ones DS1 has done (2,3,4,5 and 10) - and more by the time the actually do them at school.

He's, emmm

sorry x posted with myredcardigan - our post is very helpful - it was fruitshoot I was talking about

I would maybe just teach him his 2 times table now?

My DD was taught the 2x table by getting her to pat her knees for 1, clap and say 2, pat knees and whisper 3, clap and say 4 and so on.

It worked very well for her and several other children in her class.

They are also meant to know the division sums too (2x3=6 and 6/3=2)

arghh what to do - you kid I don't think I'm even going to have to do that with DS2 - he is totally and utterly obsessed with numbers/maths and has an incredible memory

Not content with doing his number bonds with 10 - he's got DS1 teaching him his number bonds to 100/partitioning (FAQ's new maths word of the week after DS1 was telling her about his maths lesson) )

Perhaps we'll stick to the timetables for now - and leave the division - so he's still got something to do when they're doing it in class...

My Yr3 DD knows tables to 12, as do about 50% of her class. The other 50% are expected to know 2,5,10,4,6 by the end of the yr (state school btw).
I would let your DS learn what he wants. Then he can improive by getting quicker and quicker. If a teacher wants to stretch him, then she can set him 16,16,26x tables later on

yeah, good idea. Just pointing out thats what is expected of them but once they grasp the times table, they see the link with division.

Doubling and halving is another good one to tackle.

oooooooo no I can't let the teacher let him go past 12 - I only just know them up to there myself and I'll be stuck after that helping him

I don't someone has a link to something that shows "targets" or something along those lines for maths for Foundation/Key STage 1 do they - then I can look at that and perhaps get him asking DS1 about those so at least it's "in line" with what he'll be doing in school? (he's always bombarding poor DS1 with maths questions LOL)

New Numeracy Strategy changed Y2's tables demands - it used to be 2x, 5x and 10x, but is now 3x and 4x aswell.

year 2 they begin reciting them in my school, but have been working towards seeing the patterns before that

if you give me your email address, I have a list of targets for end of year 2. I would have to dig it out as I don't think its stored on my laptop, I definitely have it on a memory stick at work though as I printed it out myself last week.

in our school they did the tablesx2x5 and x10 in yr 1,then revised those and added x11,x 4 and x 3 in yr 2 in that order.
My ds has learnt his others but I take the view that what they do in class consolidates the tables~although he does get a bit fed up going over them until everyone can recite them.
Try the bbc bite size key stage 1 website~its really good and fun!

I don't see that having any practical difference, feenie.

Bright kids were always pushed further on. Those not ready still don't move further.

We have directives coming out our ears and teachers just nod and carry on as before.

Me neither, I completely agree with you - made no difference to my teaching. What use is a requirement, if a child is not ready for it? I always taught children who could learn 2, 5 and 10 the next ones anyway, since they were clearly ready!

ooo that BBC Bite size webite looks fab - just looking at the telling the time one think dS2 will enjoy that - an added dimension to "it's 8.00, it's 12.30 etc etc"

yeah~ and the key stage two one is also fun and obviously a bit more challenging.

Ds learnt them in the playground in his first week at school. Some year 4s were getting ready for a test and it looked more interesting than the other things in the playground so he asked if he could join in.

My ds is in reception and he's learnt his x2 and x10

Different schools seem to do them in different years, but no matter, the main thing is they learn them properly. Some children have no trouble, but some find learning times tables horrendously difficult, even though they're bright children in other ways. I always hated maths at school, but knew my tables inside out as we were taught the old fashioned way of repeating them over and over until we couldn't have forgotten them if we'd tried.

hiya, just to add another perspective, I have two boys in year 2 in my class who are working at a year 7 level in maths!!! Of course I also have boys who are working at a nursery level in maths, so life is interesting!! But for the ones at the higher end of the spectrum, they are given work according to their ability, so they are constantly challenged, so don't squash your DS enthusiasm for numbers now, or it may be too late if he sees that you do not share the same enthusiasm!

melissa - I know I do sound like I'm trying to quash him don't I? This is going to sound really silly, but I have a totaly irrational fear of having an exceptionally bright child (even one that only excels in just one subject area) - I even silently wished when pg with all 3 that I had bright children, but not too bright .

I do encourage him - I fire number bonds at him when he starts randomly asking for them - I'm just scared of him getting "too far" ahead

I sent the targets for the 3 year groups today, sorry for taking my time! I lost my memory stick but found it again (fancy leaving it in a computer at work all week!)