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Help with year 2 numeracy any ideas?

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MrsJamesMartin · 31/03/2009 22:51

DD is in yr 2 , she is 7 on friday. She has always struggled a bit with numeracy, shes fine with sorting, shapes, measuring, capacity etc all the visual practical things but struggles with the actual numbers.
She is currently the level below yr 2 average of 2b ( shes 2a or 2c can't remeber which)

I'm not really bothered about the SATs as they are pointless but she moves up to juniors this time so wanted her to have grasped these basics properly.

Can anyone suggest some books/websites that we could use to help her a little?

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Feenie · 01/04/2009 22:33

Not really, since they aren't statutory assessments, and they could simply make your dd complete them when she returned to school.

We have to assess 4 times a year - but we only use a test once in that year to confirm our teacher assessment.

kid · 01/04/2009 22:40

Oh well, looks like I will just have to go along with their decisions for now then, stupid system that it is! lol

kid · 01/04/2009 22:40

Thanks for taking the time to reply btw!

Feenie · 02/04/2009 08:53

No probs

mrz · 05/04/2009 19:25

By Feenie on Wed 01-Apr-09 22:03:28
If their LEA moderators go in, they will be shot!

All schools in my area use tests (SATs and optional SATs) because that is what the LEA and OFSTED asked for.

Feenie · 05/04/2009 23:28

Yes, I know that, mrz - there is a statutory requirement to still use the tests. But the teacher assesment has to come from so much more than just the tests, and is supposed to rely much more heavily on the school's assessment procedures.

An LEA moderator will most certainly fail a school if all they produce to confirm their teacher assessment is the test result. They ask to see a long list of evidence, and the tests are a tiny part of this.

When the SAT procedures changed years ago, the DFEE (as was) produced a publication to explain how Y2 assessment was to move forward. It was called 'Building a picture of what children can do' and explained how the key aim of the new procedures was to emphasise the importance of teachers' own assessment of children's progress. here

mrz · 06/04/2009 16:34

Feenie my point was that OFSTED weren't interested in teacher assessments only test results and tracking.

Feenie · 06/04/2009 16:40

Sorry, that's rubbish in the current assessment climate - have you never heard of APP? Test results, whether SATs or optional, come just once a year. This is no longer an acceptable way of assessing, and is nowhere near enough evidence for OFSTED, LEAs or the DCSF.

salome64 · 06/04/2009 16:53

Look, this is not really something to worry about. 2b is expectation at that age. 2a is above, 2c is just below. None of it is a big deal. Just make sure she is in school and she will be fine. You can of course support her with additional material, but just make sure you talk to the teacher about what they have covered. No point in stressing her out with stuff that hasn't even been covered in class.

Sounds like she is doing just fine. Children develop at different paces. My ds has just gone up two sub levels (ie, from 2c to 2a) in a term. They expect two sub levels a year.He just hit his stride. I'm sure he will mooch around that level for a while!

mrz · 06/04/2009 17:22

By Feenie on Mon 06-Apr-09 16:40:49
Sorry, that's rubbish in the current assessment climate - have you never heard of APP?

APP isn't statutory and OFSTED were NOT interested in any of our paperwork only in the SAT and Optional SAT results and how they were tracked from year to year. This wasn't a single instance either a number of schools reported they were asked for this kind of tracking.
The same thing has been happening for years in the Foundation Stage where assessment is expected to be from observing the children BUT OFSTED love PIPS which is one to one testing...

salome64 · 06/04/2009 17:25

mrsz, sorry . but that is just incomprehensible to most posters, and still don't get what your point is. How does that help OP make decisions?

mrz · 06/04/2009 17:38

My post was in reply to a point Feenie made nothing to do with the OP I'm afraid.

In reply to the OP if she is working at 2C at the moment there is every chance she will be 2b or above by the end of the school year.

Personally I think good old fashioned games are good for maths skills. Dominoes, card games that require totalling scores (grannies are often useful especially if they play whist or bridge) board games as already suggested are far better than games on the computer because they require interaction with another person ...

missmapp · 06/04/2009 17:40

mathszone is a good site, lots of games that help with all areas of maths

salome64 · 06/04/2009 17:42

I agree mrz, but the whole shorthand of educational stuff does most peoples heads in, and whatever your point is, it gets lost because its not explained in laymans terms. I worked in primary for years (until six months ago) and still did not understand what your point was!

mrz · 06/04/2009 18:00

salome64 perhaps if you were to go back and read Feenie's post which was directed at me then you would understand my post which was in reply.

My point was that we all know what we should be doing as teachers but quite often the expectations of those who judge us doesn't match up to the guidelines. OFSTED and LEAs like test results ...

Feenie · 06/04/2009 18:38

Okay, mrz, fair enough - how recent was this, though?

salome64 · 06/04/2009 18:38

I do agree with you Mrz on those points. Just saying its hard for parents outside of the system to understand the finer points. Even for parents in the system. Your point is totally valid. Just wanted it clarifiying, cos I got a bit lost, even knowing something about it. We can all benefit from your expertise, just spell it out for the dummies like me!

mrz · 06/04/2009 18:42

Last term Feenie

Feenie · 06/04/2009 18:47

How depressing.

Well, scrub OFSTED then, LEA have to moderate KS1 assessment procedures, and it can only be a matter of time before APP does become statutory, mark my words [nodding sagely emoticon]

APP is 'Assessing Pupil Progress' - a system which tracks pupils continously as they are taught.

mrz · 06/04/2009 19:09

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Feenie · 06/04/2009 19:13

Which part of my post are you ing at, mrz?

mrz · 06/04/2009 19:18

I think there is a great deal of opposition to APP in it's current form so not sure if it will become statutory unless it is made more workable.

piscesmoon · 06/04/2009 19:20

I would second ict games, posted by Feenie near the start. They can be done for fun.
I also don't think you can beat card and board games.

Feenie · 06/04/2009 20:00

I agree, mrz, but LEAs are pushing it like mad and it has appeared on the new Primary Framework site. I think they are desperate to find something to replace Y6 SATs.

mrz · 06/04/2009 20:14

My LEA isn't pushing it at all and my head has asked the management team to look at alternatives which will leave staff with "a life" ...

We use our own version that doesn't come complete with a paper mountain at the moment and my holiday homework is comparing it (accuracy) to APP

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