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Following that weirdy thread last night, it made me think - did we actually have to change schools??

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Fllightthebluetouchpaper · 13/11/2008 07:21

Because I've been saying to people at our new one, that we 'lost' our place at ds's first school. And they seem really surprised at this, and actually I'm a bit worried that I have moved him unnecessarily.

It's a bit of a long one but I'll try and keep it concise.

Last Autumn he started reception, doing half days - loved it, it was fine. However he got very tired (normal, I know) and so I spoke to them and he continued with half days till Christmas.

Then in the spring we went to 3 full days a week - this wasn't so successful. He was often ill, knackered, falling asleep - so missed a lot of those 3 days as well.
I'd have preferred half days all the way but school wanted to try full days.

Anyway by easter it just got silly, he had missed so much and was so tired I asked the school if we could take him out for the summer term and try again once he was 5, ie in September. They said that was fine - in fact I said, shall we lose our place, I am prepared to take him out - and they said, 'Oh, no, no, do come back, there's no need for that!' Then they asked for a dr's letter to cover him for the summer term. I asked my GP to write this, she refused, sceptical, saying she didn't agree with it - I said I didn't expect her to write it either, as he wasn't ill. I told the school I didn't have the letter, they said write it yourself, so I wrote a letter explaining that he was getting exhausted.

So we stayed home all summer, and then we moved house. While we were moving, the school rang. A new teacher had taken over as head while head was on sabbatical. They said, 'ds has to come in for some re-integration. We would like a meeting to discuss this'.

So I took him with me and he spent an hour in his classroom while I sat in a room with four teachers/senco and they talked over my head and planned a massive timetable of several weeks' sessions, where he had to come in for whole afternoons and mornings straight away, then full days by the end of term.

I said I didn't think he could cope with all that as we were moving and he was already quite stressed. They said he won't find year 1 easy if he doesn't.

Anyway we tried - he went in for a couple of sessions and then the next day he just fell asleep on the way to school. So I took him home, and I didn't dare ring them and explain as I thought they'd not believe me - they seemed already quite sceptical.

We moved, that week - I had no phone for another 4 weeks. I am ashamed to say I did not contact them - I felt that they didn't really understand or take my opinion into account anyway, I wasn't welcome there, and whatever I said, they insisted ds needed to do this integration thing which was just sprung on him/us at a really difficult time.

My mother got a call from them a while later and they were saying the were going to ring the welfare officer at the LEA unless I got in touch. So I rang, and went to speak to them and explained that I had not had a phone, and that ds had been unable to do their sessions and things were quite chaotic with the move and everything, and apologised but said I didn't think my feelings had been listened to anyway. It turned out they had already rung the LEA and were a bit threatening about it - it made me feel atrocious, like a bad mother, incapable of normal relations with the school etc. It was horrible.

The 'new' head said, smiling sweetly at me, that as HE had been my original; plan, why didn't I do that - ds would find it hard to come back in the autumn, and I agreed - nobody said' we are withdrawing the place' and nobody said 'I am withdrawing ds' but it was sort of assumed. I gave them a letter of deregistration at Easter, thinking I'd have to - but they kept it despite saying 'no he can come back' and they mentioned this and said they were covered as they had my letter from then.

I rang the LEA liaison person and he came out, discussed HE with me - he was great. However I had been sent ds's report and it was marked all over 'illness' rather than 'authorised absence', which was incorrect. The school had been fiddling the paperwork it seemed, saying he was off due to illness which should have been authorised absence. Which explains the gp letter they wanted.
I don't know if this was to make sure they got more money, or if there was no ulterior motive whatsoever - I just dont know why they didn't mark the register 'AA'.

Ultimately I am upset that he has had to start at a new school, it's very hard for him - he had made good friends at the first one - and am totally confused as to whether i could/should have fought for his place at the first one.

Can anyone shed any light/ I think the first school was actually baffled by my request for the term's absence and didn't know how to handle it then found they were in trouble and threw the book at me - by ringing the welfare people. I also think they didn't want us there as I was a bit left of centre and personally not very at ease with school. But I tried hard to do the right thing until the mess when we were moving and I just lost touch with them.

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Fllightthebluetouchpaper · 13/11/2008 07:27

btw I am not looking to sue them for sacking my child

Sorry for such a long post.

Is anyone else made to feel like cr*p for keeping a four year old at home when they are patently not awake enough for going to school?

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sparklestickchick · 13/11/2008 07:30

hi flight \o

I think schools have to do a lot of accounting for authorised absence and can only allow so many therefore your son being off for so long and them marking them illness instead of aa probably didnt affect their attebdance scores as much.

I think schools have turned into mini businesses nd pupils are treated s workers there seems to be no bend and support from school in general unless a SENCO or money source is involved,I know if your son was identified as needing support they would claim band funding for him.

I think the first school acted very underhand and I suspect if you knew then what you are learning now you could have handled it differently and got different results.

Is your ds any better settled at his new school?.

sparklestickchick · 13/11/2008 07:32

Is anyone else made to feel like cr*p for keeping a four year old at home when they are patently not awake enough for going to school?

hey i continually question myself as to whether im right to home ed ds3 8 whos been to school for a hour in his life!!!

ramonaquimby · 13/11/2008 07:37

his tiredness seems over and above the 'normal tiredness' of a child in reception - did you ever take him to see gp? school would not get extra funding for your son unless he was on SEN register (sounds like he wasn't) so there would be no reason to change from illness to authorized absence. Maybe they genuinely thought it was illness? Yes, handled badly by school. Woud you like him to go back to the first school?

Fllightthebluetouchpaper · 13/11/2008 07:38

Thankyou Sparkle

He's finding it hard to get in with the crowd - he's likeable and energetic which helps, he just throws himself into it - but it's hard when you're new.

Yes, in retrospect I should have done things differently - they did seem to be glad to get shot of us (well, me - they liked ds!)

I wasn't confrontational at all, very appeasing really - but they seemed to think I was out to get them. I wasn't, I was probably just a bit PFB and wouldn't send him when he was on his knees. that was the stumbling block. Different take on what was best for him I suppose.

Whyfor do you HE? Did you have school issues with ds3?

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Fllightthebluetouchpaper · 13/11/2008 07:41

Ramona - thanks,

No, he wasn't ill - he didn't really need to see the GP, but I did take him so she could see him - she agreed there was nothing wrong with him. He's one of these children who burns fast, iyswim - very very active and then he's done in. He was getting home and asleep at 4pm on the sofa. Fine at school, racing about, thehn not enough time to recharge, which is why the afternoon naps helped (he hadn't stopped those by the time he started school)

Ideally I would like him to have gone back there, but it is probably too late now. It might be even more disruptive now.

He'll make new pals, but it's taking time and I kind of feel there's a fog over what happened, and I can't work out what went wrong.

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sparklestickchick · 13/11/2008 07:46

Not so much 'issues' ds3 has a diry intolerance and when the children hve milk in the morning ds3 was expected to drink water UNLESS i was working in school and then he could take juice!!! as it went ds2 was withdrawn and poorly (long term ill in fact we are at hossy this am)and i couldnt leave ds2 to be with ds3 at school etc and the school was ....for want of a better word .....shit!! so we opted out its worked really well, big responsibility tho- although dh is VERY supportive so that mkes it easier.

Ds2 went to secondary school after 2 yers home ed at primary they were claiming sen yet at secondary hes thriving no support yet in top and middle streams!!

I think weve spoke before- i was dippydeedoo .

my ds1 used to be like your ds he ws shattered at the end of the day and literally sleep when we got in -its awfully harsh that although they are practically babies such a long day is expected of them.

sparklestickchick · 13/11/2008 07:47

OHHHHH i forgot to add I always think a lot of primary friendships are forged in pre school nd nursery and can be quite cliquey with new faces.

Fllightthebluetouchpaper · 13/11/2008 07:59

Gosh
Sounds like you did the right thing. Sorry to hear you're having to go to hosp, not fun
It sounds like you did a fab job with ds2 as well.
Yes it is harsh for a four year old to be there all day - I think a lot of them do adjust eventually but I didn't want it to be a daily ritual of home, sleep, wake at say 10pm hungry, force down a sandwich, back to sleep at midnight, then up again at 6!!

I don't know, maybe it all happened for a reason...

Thanks for being supportive. I do often wonder if I stuffed everything up for him.

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Buda · 13/11/2008 08:11

Hi Flight

A thought - could the old school have marked him down as ill so that they could keep his place open? Is there a waiting list for the school?

I doubt you have stuffed it up for him. He sounds a classic case of not being ready for reception at 4. At 5 would probably be no problems. Damn English intractable system.

I don't know if you did the right thing taking him out completely. Unfortunately Reception is an important year. However it is done now and can't be undone. You should have been able to do half days as long as you wanted.

He will settle at the new school. And he will make friends. It may just take a little bit of time and some effort from you with regard to playdates etc. As you know DS is at an international school and lots of children come and go. Everyone makes an effort and new children tend to slot in fairly easily unless their English is not great and even then they pick it up quickly. Children ARE adaptable.

Fllightthebluetouchpaper · 13/11/2008 08:43

Thankyou Buda - I don't know, you might be right. They do have a high reputation and a waiting list. So yes it is possible - but I would have thought they'd have told me if so. I'm not sure what their motives were, to be honest - I might have misconstrued entirely.

I suppose they do adapt well, and I hope he does find it easier soon.

It is an intractable system and it is hard for so many little ones, it makes me sad.

What age do they start where you are? Do you think it helps to start a bit later?

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Lauriefairycake · 13/11/2008 08:48

Any chance you could just call the education welfare officer and ask them if the place was still being kept open for him?

Buda · 13/11/2008 08:49

Well in the Hungarian system they start at 7. Most go to state kindergardens first.

DS is at a British school though and he started in nursery at 3. Mornings only initially but by Oct half term he was crying as I picked him up as he wanted to stay so he went full time from then. But we are paying so if I felt he needed a day or so off or whatever we did it. And it was very much play and a bit of tracing your name on paper was as academic as it got.

He started reception at 4 and coped fine but academically was not interested for a long time. We are lucky in that the school is led by the children pretty much at that stage so it was fine. He is now in Yr 3 and loves it (although he claims he hates it of course!) but is having occupational therapy for fine motor skills as his pencil grip is poor - very common in boys apparently. He is not top of the class but also not bottom. Is pretty much at the same level as a friend's DS in the year below but who is 3 weeks younger than DS - August birthday.

Fllightthebluetouchpaper · 13/11/2008 09:44

Buda, the system sounds entirely more sensible than the one here.

I have difficulty with the emphasis on writing etc here as well - ds doesn't get shouted at or anything but he would so much rather be doing other things, and gets frustrated with himself over writing.

Laurie - yes, that might be an idea - I don't really know whom to phone though, or what to ask, or how

I will try and find out just to get a clearer picture of what happened.

Thankyou all, you've been really helpful.

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