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Was anyone else told that reception year is all about play and "just like pre-school" and finding that to be a big fat LIE?

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LeavesLeavesEverywhere · 07/11/2008 22:54

DS, a young four, is half a term into school and frankly, I'm bewildered by how hardcore it has become so early on.

Lots of people said before he went: ah, reception is all about play and settling in - it's like pre-school. But it really, truly is not.

DS has six reading books a week, will have covered all the phonics sounds by Christmas, and now has a word tin of words to learn. Maybe I'm being naive but, where kids didn't even used to start school until age five, I really thought reception would be a lightweight, play-orientated year with a bit of structure and formal learning thrown in.

Today, DS's teacher told me that "his pen control is non-existent". So what?! It's not great, I realise that, but why the heck is it of importance yet? He's FOUR. It'll come. But already it seems to matter and - well, I suppose I'm having a bit of a foot-stamping tantrum: I. Don't. Like. It.

Research has shown that boys are less ready for school at four and that their fine motor skills mean that holding a pen is trickier at this age - so I say take the emphasis off this and wait until he's ready. And research has also shown such an early start to reading and writing to be of little value and possibly detrimental longterm to literacy and interest in reading and writing - so, again, why not hold off?

I know - I'm having a tired rant. What do the rest of you think?

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duckyfuzz · 08/11/2008 14:16

my DTs started reception in sept adn haev had no reading books, got homework for the first time this weekend (tracing letters, matching sounds) and have done about 8 phonic sounds so far, which seems fine to me - 6 books a week is ridiculous!

TooTicky · 08/11/2008 14:20

LeavesLeaves, have just re-read your op - properly this time!! - and that does seem v. tough. I would question the teacher's approach, see if it is fully endorsed by the school.

MollieO · 08/11/2008 21:05

Gosh, it does seem a bit hard core. My ds (4.4) gets 3 or 4 reading books a week, 4 letter sounds, cursive writing and colouring in. I thought that was a lot. They have homework every evening except Wednesday.

I have been a bit surprised at quite how structured reception is compared to pre-school. Think my ds was too judging on his behaviour for the first half of term. Since he returned to school on Monday something seems to have clicked and he is enthusiastic at interested (which he was at preschool but became the complete opposite when he started school).

When he didn't want to do homework I didn't push it. It isn't going to matter when he is 18 if he learnt to read when he was 5 or 6 rather than 4. When I went to school (at 5) I refused to learn to read (even though I read well at home). It took two terms for me even to be willing to pick up a book. Can't recall my parents being at all concerned about that and the teacher just ignored me! Didn't stop me going on to uni/post grad and professional qualifications.

DontCallMeBANG · 08/11/2008 21:32

That sounds very pressured. DD started in Reception this year, going full-time only the week before halfterm. She has been doing a phonics sound a day (but not Fridays) since a couple of weeks in. She has a completely random library book once a week, not one that SHE is expected to read. Laidback, slightly hippy school? No, high-achieving, academic, disciplined church school that prides itself on getting kids into the local grammar. If they get the results they do without slamming 4yos straight into reading books and key words, I don't really see that it's necessary for other schools to do so.

mumtoone · 08/11/2008 22:17

My ds is in reception and we get two books a week and thats it for homework. I think any more than this is excessive at this age. He is doing a few phonic sounds a week although he learnt them at nursery so he's not picking up anything new there. They must be doing some writing as I've noticed he's starting to form letters correctly. Apart from that I think they are doing a fair amount of play but its hard to tell as I don't get much out of him.

Eniddo · 08/11/2008 22:20

ours have 6 a week

well 5 - one everyday and a library book to read together

you don't have to do them though

our reception is totally not like pre-school but I love it being more focussed tbh

Eniddo · 08/11/2008 22:21

no homework at ours though

homework stupid in reception IMO

mimsum · 08/11/2008 23:10

dd was in reception last year - she had no homework at all bar one 'reading' book a week, there was a sandpit, a home corner, a book corner, a writing table, a cutting and sticking table, a small world table etc every session half the children went into another room to do cooking or art and crafty things, there was lots of outdoor play too - dd was a bit cross as she was expecting it to be a bit more 'schoolish'

things are a little more formal in y1, but not much - we have 2 books a week now but still no homework and her reading and writing are progressing beautifully without her realising she's being taught anything at all!

Clary · 08/11/2008 23:28

yes mimsmum our FS2 classrooms have water play, sandpit, home corner, role play area etc.

Also outdoor play as part of the day.

Mollieo cursive writing at age 4?

DD started that last year ie in yr 2...

mimsum · 08/11/2008 23:51

forgot to say dd's school was rated outstanding at last year's ofsted, mainly because of its play-based approach to learning - afaik there's a government push towards play-based learning for early years and ks1 so the op's school seems very out of step with current thinking

MollieO · 09/11/2008 12:46

Clary, oh yes! Couldn't believe it when my ds started bringing home cursive writing homework. He learnt to write his letters at his Montessori nursery but was pretty floored to start with when he started this style of writing. Even the teachers do this style in the reading diary. I've started to try and do the same! I find it quite hard but my ds seems to be mastering it. When I was at school we learned to write our letters and then learned how to join them together later.

cory · 09/11/2008 22:11

I think dc's' school did this better. Yes, they did have tins and yes, there were reading books (but not SIX a week ), but it was still more about play and nobody got upset if you didn't do the homework at such a young age.

Dd's teacher told me once that Reception is mainly about puppy training; sounds about right to me

Your school sounds too pushy for my liking and not at all like our experience.

cory · 09/11/2008 22:12

We also had lots of sand and water play and a lovely dressing up area.

chocolateteapot · 10/11/2008 08:34

Thought of this thread as was at a party yesterday with some mothers who have children at the other first school up the road (DD went there until last year when she moved up to middle school and I decided to bail out to his current school as I preferred the head).

They were complaining of what they were expected to do at home. Each week they get:

Reading books (seems to vary between 2 and 6 books)
4 phonic sounds
Words to learn
A sheet in a tracing book (started this week)
A diary of what they did at the weekend which their DC is to use instead of show and tell.

I nearly passed out in shock. When my DD was there we got reading books and phonics and that was it. Needless to say no one is happy.

Littleladyloulou · 10/11/2008 17:38

chocolate teapot, do you think it's because it is too much for children to achieve in one week?

Maybe I'll have my eyes openend when my DC1 starts school but unless the children are struggling to keep up with the work I can't see what the problem is. I want my DC's to achieve well academically (as long as they have the ability) and the earlier they start to learn, the easier. I remember matching words with stamps, cutting out and matching shapes, painting and having story time etc, but a lot of our time was spent academically ie copying of letters, learning words, putting sentences together from words in a tin, weekend news etc etc from reception year onwards and it didn't seem all that taxing to us as children. I went to a very basic primary school (and not the best one in the area either) but about just under 1/3 went on to the local (state not private) grammar school from my class, where the standard of education was excellent, so looking back I was pleased my school didn't "baby" us too much.

Is it that we as adults are judging it to be too much? If the children appear to be coping with the work then I would be OK with that.

Littleladyloulou · 10/11/2008 17:43

(Should clarify that we got pretty much the same homework as CT described as well as covering it in school - maybe my mum moaned about the time it took up unbeknown to me! I'll ask her! I was fine with it )

chocolateteapot · 10/11/2008 18:07

I think it is too much and the parents are struggling to get their DCs to complete it all and also feel it is too much. And most of them have children who are 5 already so I dread to think what it must be like for some of the younger ones.

I guess it is a large extent to do with what you experienced as a child, I used to get reading and occasional spellings at primary school and homework didn't really kick in until secondary so to me that seems like a huge amount.

LadyBuntingofCupcake · 10/11/2008 18:10

Haven't read all the thread but with a reception age dd all I can say is that I totally agree with you and feel quite pissed off about the pressure she is under. Will be having words at parents evening...

Littleladyloulou · 10/11/2008 18:38

thanks chocolateteapot. I can see that it is probably a lot to do week in and week out - what if there is a busy week, or you go away for the weekend, for example.

I was just brought up with this level of activity/homework so it doesn't sound too alien to me. This is very useful as when my DC1 starts school in the future I wouldn't like to put my foot in it with the other mums, I will know to keep quiet and agree instead of blabbing my opinions which go against the status quo a bit

LeavesLeavesEverywhere · 14/11/2008 16:55

More interesting posts - thanks.

Littleladyloulou, I hear what you are saying: is this workload an issue if both children and parents are happy with it?

While not having the workload at school that you did, I didn't struggle with reading or word tins at all. But I think that several key things set this situation with DS (and clearly lots of other reception children) apart, a generation on:

(1) With the scrapping of rising fives, children are going to school earlier. I started a month before my fifth birthday, and was a bright girl who wanted to sit still, be good and learn school-style. Despite the legal requirement being for full-time education to begin in the term following a child's fifth birthday, pretty much all children now start the term after their fourth birthday. My parents went to school a whole year later than DS at five - today's starting age has crept earlier, with the attendant problems of children being less developmentally and emotionally ready for the rigours of school. There's a boy in DS's class who turned four on 31st August.

(2) DS is a boy, and from my understanding, boys are about a year behind girls developmentally and separate less easily from their primary carer. DS is a bright child and he is enjoying learning to read, but he hates separating from me in the mornings and even a half-term in, this is still a real wrench and upsetting for both of us. He, like his male class mates, is also interested in leaping about and being lively, not sitting still and being "good" and using a pencil to draw fiddly letters: this age is all about gross motor skills for most boys. So arguably, with boys especially - and particularly at age four instead of five - the school system is expecting a level of maturity of them that many are not able to deliver yet. There is one autumn-born boy in DS's class, whose mum is a primary school teacher. She planned her pregnancy so her son would be autumn-born (!), as she suspected he wouldn't be ready for school as a young four-year-old.

(3) There is little indication of early pressure to read and write achieving longterm literacy gains, and it can turn off some enthusiastic children later on. In fact, research into home education - where home ed kids often learn at their own pace with minimal pressure, and learn to read later - shows it to provide a comparable-to-better education than school. Our literacy levels in the UK are poorer than many other countries whose formal education systems don't kick in until six or seven. So is early really best?

(4) Birth to seven (ish) has been argued to be the age of emotional development, with reason and intellect dominating after that. OK, so this is a bit black-and-white, but it makes sense to me (big softie that I am) that with children so young, the focus should be on nurture, emotional security, expressing and managing feelings, etc - not bloody phonics!

So why, in view of all this, am I sending DS to school?! No alternative at the moment, unfortunately. But I do so wish the system was more geared towards children's natural developmental patterns, giving them a bit more of a free childhood and a bit less formal learning; in fact, perhaps naively, I expected this.

In practice, we do DS's reading books and word practice because he likes this; he isn't interested in forming the letters yet, so that homework just doesn't get done. I'd rather him do it later when he's ready.

Rant over.

Thank you all for posting.

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lingle · 15/11/2008 15:32

I sympathise, our school is also ambitious in the reception curriculum. It suited DS1 (December-born) fine. But it strengthened my resolve to negotiate deferred entry to reception for DS2 (3.2, 21st August)

I now have written confirmation from Bradford Council that DS2 will start reception in 2010. Oh yeah.

Now who'd have thought they'd see mumsnet posts saying "I wish I could educate my child in Bradford?" But that's the response I get. I've told the Council this and offered to publicise their enlightened policy (they keep threatening to resile from it).

Dottoressa · 15/11/2008 15:38

We deliberately deferred June-born DD's entry into Reception for precisely this reason, having skipped most of Reception for May-born DS. Then DD was so desperate to go that we capitulated last week - which has provoked notes from her teacher about all the words she can't read and the fact that she writes '5' and '7' back to front

She also has a pile of pesky homework.

It doesn't help that DS was reading like a 12-y-o when he started school. They seem to expect DD to be the same. On the whole, I think DD likes it there so much that I'll put up with it - but I certainly shan't be sitting over her while she does her homework!

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