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Advice wanted on how to raise issue wiht primary school teacher today for ds aged 9

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lisalisa · 29/10/2008 12:48

I have a meeting booked with my ds 9 (aged 9 ) teacher after SChool today to discuss a rather delicate issue and would be grateful for advice on how exactly it should be raised.

The issue is this. My ds has formed what i view as an inappropriate friendship in the class. this is always a tricky issue to raise as one is automatically doing down another child by raising it but I can't help but raise it having tried many stratedgies to try and minimise the effect this friendship is haivng on ds.

The friend is inappropriate because he does not like school - in fact he actively dislikes it. this is because he does not achieve well at school - he does not have special needs as such - just is not a high achiever naturally and comes from a family where no encouragement is given and the boy is treated more as a nuisance and to be farmed out to friends as much as possible - not much investment in teh boy by family has lead to a boy deprived of self esteeem and self respect and therefore lack of repsect for others.

he actively encourages my ds to view himself negatively - i.e. "we'll never do well in this test, we never manage anything right in school, we hate school" etc. Along wiht this his style of dress ( within the uniform ) is messy and dirty and he does not play sport or play anything constructively really. He also eats vast amounts and encourages my ds to do so ( e.g. " we are only good at eating, see if you can get that boy to give you his lunch etc". )

My ds is an easy target. He is sweet, ultra sensitive and happy go lucky. He has a histroy of tricky academics - he ( this is all about my ds now) had meningitis at 10 days old which lead to delayed development but now ds ( at least before this boy came into the picture) was above average in teh class and rising. He always tries to complete the homework and do his assignments. Ds always says that if he doesn't play wiht this boy no-one will. Ds has put on weight recently - he seems to have azquired this boy's attitude towards eating which is that it is a hobby and all that ds and the boy can do correctly. He has also acquired a very negative attitude towards school directly mouthingn this boy's words on the subject an announcing to all that he hates school which is painful to hear. He has also been in trouble with the headmistress for talking during lessons and has a dismisive attitude when I tried to talk to him about it -all things which were not on his radar before.

His school reports before this boy were glowing wiht teachers saying what a delightful child he is ( and he is ) and a pleasure to teach. Now he is changing and I am feeling lost as to what to do. His old friends in teh class don't talk to him as much and he doesn't play footie or sport at break times as this boy doesn't like those games and tells my ds he isnt good at that and should sit and do nothing wiht him.

I need to tackle this wiht the teacher to try to get her input on how to reduce this boy's influence but don't want to come across aas downright nasty or for it to come across wrong.

Please hlep.

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lisalisa · 29/10/2008 13:13

Any help would be gratefully received as I have to leave at 2.30pm an dwon't see messages until after the meeting.

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magentadreamer · 29/10/2008 13:24

I think the best tact would be to raise your concerns regarding your DS first before blaming this poor other boy. See if he teacher raises this "unhealthy" friendship,personally I wouldn't be negative about the boys appearance - I'm assuming he's 9 as well and from what you say is ignored by his parents. You state your son is still negative outside of school are you sure your ds is not suffering low self esteem issues and has bonded with a child like himself? Hope you get it all sorted

glinda · 29/10/2008 13:26

Very, very tricky to phrase. The teacher may well agree with your appraisal of the situation but s/he can't possibly say so to you. Perhaps you could say that you feel the boys don't bring out the best in each other? The teacher will find that easier to agree with.

lisalisa · 29/10/2008 13:29

magentadreamer - quite possibly re your last sentence. I htink ds does suffer also low self esteem due to struggling a lot in the early years academically and also not being naturally good at sport. you're dead right - it is better to concetrate on talking about ds - but the teacher may be left wondering "what on earth does she want from me in relation to this". What i am seeking is to move ds from this boy physicaly in the class so that they can't talk during lessons and perhaps any other advice/input as to how to unravel this boy from ds and get him back to his old group of friends.
Glinda - that's also an excellent idea thanks.

Can I please haear from others too?

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lou031205 · 29/10/2008 13:40

I totally think that your DS needs to be the focus here, in a positive way. Because actually, it sounds to me like your DS is a lifeline for the other boy, so it is quite possible that the teacher may not see it as a problem in the same sense you do. It is probably a relief that this boy finally has a friend.

So, I think you need to approach it more in terms of how can the you and the teacher help your DS to be an influencer, not the influenced. Your son sounds like a top lad, so actually that shouldn't be too difficult, especially if you are an encouraging mum, which is how you sound.

If this boy is separated from your son, IMO, there will be another to replace him, because the real issue here is that your son has currently got his best assets as his weaknesses, in that his sweet nature has led him to be easily influenced. If you can turn THAT around, then your issues will dissolve

magentadreamer · 29/10/2008 13:41

I'd phrase it something like DS and X seem to be a bit of a bad influence on each other can DS be moved in the classroom as he seems to be getting into a bit of trouble when he's sat wih X and it might just help them both if they're sat apart in class. It's hard talking to teachers always makes me feel about 12 again!

soapbox · 29/10/2008 13:48

I would talk more generally about the issue. Perhaps saying that your DS seems to be becoming more isolated socially and that you would prefer him to have a wider friendship group at this time in his development.

Ask her whether she observes this isolation in the way that she sees him playing and in the classroom. Ask her to suggest ways in which she and you can help DS to broaden out his group of friends again, as you feel that he performs better when stretched by his peer group's achievements.

Also say that you are worried that he is becoming too sedentary at school and ask her whether there are any groups of boys who do more active games at playtime, other than football.

There are loads of active games at my DC's school which my DS plays, Kingball, Bulldogs, Army (sigh), tag etc etc. If there are other games then perhaps she can ask the playtime supervisors to try and introduce DS into those games a bit more.

I really wouldn't mention the other boy at all - it all sounds a bit snobbish which might just get her back up a little.

AbbeyA · 29/10/2008 13:51

I agree with lou.

lisalisa · 29/10/2008 14:08

Lou - that was an excellent post thankyou. that would of course help ds if he could be an influencer rather than influenced but how can i as a mum do that or change it and how can his class teacher help if at all?

Magentadreamer and soapbox you are both right. It will quite possibly get the teacher's back up if I talk negatively about this oth4er boy and quite rightly so really. If I talk in terms of ds being isolated though it won't ring true as he is very popular in a general sense just that his old friends don't erally hang out wiht him anymore due to the presence of this other boy who isn't particularlly well liked in his peer gruop.

It's so hard...........

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lou031205 · 29/10/2008 14:17

Well, that is the hard part, lisalisa - perhaps the teacher could give your DS a special responsibility, so boosting his confidence, etc. Sometimes it isn't words that cut it, but rather a physical display of trust, etc.

lou031205 · 29/10/2008 14:18

Perhaps also, remove any anxiety/defiance your son may have re: the friendship by telling him how proud you are that he has stuck with this boy when no-one else does. Sort of reverse psychology.

Grammaticus · 29/10/2008 14:21

Sorry for hasty post - see you need to leave - your focus should be your DS, turn all your sentences round to be about him and not the other boy as much as you possibly can

lou031205 · 29/10/2008 14:21

Sorry, another thought - invite the boy round, so that the friendship is in your house under your rules, so then you can say things like "come on lads, no slouching around at lisalisa's house, why don't you do...."

Then you are subtly working on this boy's self-esteem, which although isn't your job, models the behaviour for your son to take on.

lisalisa · 29/10/2008 14:21

Lou - I was just thinking that when I imagined how, if you didn't respond, I would have imagined taking that further.

So, in conclusion I think i will:

1 thank teacher for all her efforts so far with class etc ( she is new and really putting in a lot of work to the class);

2 Ask her how she thinks ds is getting on which will open the conversation and may throw up different/the same observations i have been making;

2 Presuming nothing in particular said by teacher about ds, then say that am a bit concerned that developing negative "no can do" attitude and want to change that . Also concerned that ds needs to broaden horizons re friendships. Ask whether teacher can hlep with those goals and maybe mention+special responsibiliites /moving him elsewhere to broaden friendships.

Do you really all think I shouldn't mention ds friendshjip with this boy at all ?

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asdmumandteacher · 29/10/2008 14:24

Know how you feel - my son (9) is in the same boat...its so hard

lou031205 · 29/10/2008 14:25

No, I think you can, but phrase it positively, and ask what can be done to make the friendship have a more positive effect, rather than stating how negative it is. It will help the teacher help you.

Anna8888 · 29/10/2008 14:25

Yes, agree that you shouldn't mention friendship with this little boy unless the teacher brings it up as a problem that she herself has identified - and even then tread very carefully . You definitely don't want to come across as a precious mother as it will break the lines of communication with the teacher.

lisalisa · 29/10/2008 14:26

Lou - my dh doesn't want this boy i nthe house although that is an excleent suggestion as to modeeling behaviour - he doens't want him in the house as he's been a few times and his manners and general attitude were very poor. for example when dh addrssed ds telling him that he needed to complete some chore or task later when his friend had gone this lad piped up " Cor, ain't your dad bossy then" to which ds looked embarrassed and felt bad. Also , when i asked ds to help tidy up after end of 3 hour playdate ( all my kids had to help as they'd all had friends over - 8 kids in total so general chaos) - htis boy sat down and moaned that in his house he never had to help.

At dinner table the boy also never once said please or thank you and was picked up on this by my 7 yr old ( who was reprimanded afterwards by me for embarrassing ds' guest) who said" X, you never say please or thank you - that's very rude you know.". Dh had already caught on to this and boy's general negative attitude and doesn't want him in the house

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asdmumandteacher · 29/10/2008 14:27

And i am a teacher and have spoken to the teachers since year R about this attatchment they have for each other - in a 'cmon we are all teachers together - help me out way' and yet because of ability he still gets lumped in with this boy. My son has had a lot of issues to deal with too as his brother is severely autistic and so he does suffer from lack of attention at home due to his brothers needs...i know where you are on this one

lou031205 · 29/10/2008 14:31

Tricky, lisalisa, but your son has had 9 years to learn his manners, it sounds like this boy is only just starting to learn. Perhaps your DH needs to see the boy as just that - a little boy who hasn't been taught socially acceptable behaviours, which you as a family excel at. But, on the other hand, I can imagine that no-one would really want to take that on. That is what is so sad.

I hope you have a really positive meeting. Let us know how it went, won't you?

BoffinMum · 29/10/2008 14:35

Tough one. Can see why you're concerned. Really hope the meeting goes well this afternoon. If it doesn't, one cunning plan might be to sort of 'dilute' the effect of this troubled boy with other friends that are more positive in outlook. That will help him and also distract your son a bit.

Bear in mind also that really if your son and the other boy don't have much in common at the end of the day, then the likelihood is that this friendship will probably fizzle out eventually.

Grammaticus · 31/10/2008 10:31

How did you get on lisa?

lisalisa · 03/11/2008 12:26

Sorry I didn't update sooner.

the meeting went very well. I started off just talking about ds and the teacher told me how well he was doing and how she was surprised as his test results from last year very much indicated average but he was now getting A makrs on pretty much everything. As far as she was concnered there were no issues and she was mildly surprised at the requst for th emeeting. So I needed to mention that there was an issue I needed to discuss. I didn't name the child when speaking of need to dilute the child's influence but she named him straightaway. She has agreed to move ds into a working grup comprising 3 other boys who are all high acheivers ( which will help pull ds even further thorugh the class to the top) and ensure that the boy's influence is not there during class time ( it is at the moment as ds is in his working group and he encourages ( so teacher tells me )ds to play up and tune out. Many of the boys play football during break and ds has just joined an after school training club and team so develping an interest and I am encouragining him to play footie at school to furthe rreduce boy's influence at lunch play time which ds tells me usually results in the two of them hanfging around doing nothing in the playground and scrounging bits of other kids lunches .

Hope it will all work.......

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Grammaticus · 03/11/2008 14:20

That sounds really positive - I hope it works too!

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