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Part time contract and staff meetings

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Teacher2024 · 22/07/2025 19:30

Hello, I’m hoping some others may have experience of this or know the answers.
I am due to return from maternity leave on a part time contract (3 days) as a teacher and have asked for clarification on whether I need to attend development days and staff meetings on my days off (these are on a Monday which is one of my days off). I have yet to have a response but wondered if there are any rules on this that I can come back with if I am asked to attend an hour staff meeting on my days off or if I do need to attend development days, how many is acceptable. I haven’t been able to find anything in the staff handbook and yet to receive my contract.

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Soontobe60 · 23/07/2025 08:25

TizerorFizz · 23/07/2025 08:13

Isn’t there usually some give and take? If a teacher is due to work on a Thursday, but that’s a school holiday, do they get paid? Most part timers would exchange that for an inset day for example.

A part time teacher on a 0.6 contract has to attend 0.6 x 195 days, all on their normal working days. So if they work Monday- Wednesday, they cannot be directed to come in on Thursday or Friday.

DorothyStorm · 23/07/2025 08:25

TizerorFizz · 23/07/2025 08:13

Isn’t there usually some give and take? If a teacher is due to work on a Thursday, but that’s a school holiday, do they get paid? Most part timers would exchange that for an inset day for example.

As you can tell by reading the post, there is mainly take.

niadainud · 23/07/2025 08:30

Soontobe60 · 23/07/2025 06:57

No teaching staff get paid for Bank holidays - they are not included in the 195 days FTE staff work. So nobody is ‘missing out’.

Also hardly any bank holidays (maybe one?) are actually during term time anyway.

Bluevelvetsofa · 23/07/2025 11:51

I was happy to be flexible and so was the school. At three days a week, I attended three training days, but if the other two were particularly relevant, I’d do those too, but always got paid for them.

Makingpeace · 23/07/2025 11:59

SorenLorensonsInvisibleFriend · 23/07/2025 01:05

I had to go into this in detail as my unpleasant Exec Head made me work two unpaid extra days in my first year of being part time before I wised up and read into the legal side (thanks to the Facebook ‘leave the classroom and thrive’ group).

There is a maximum of 1,265 hours per academic year, spread over 195 days. Teachers can be required to teach on 190 days, the maximum length of the pupil year. Teachers can be required to work a further five non-teaching (usually inset) days. These hours count towards the 1,265 hour limit.

As a 0.6 teacher, you work 3/5 of the 195 days (including non-teaching/inset), which would be 117 days of directed time.

My advice is to count up your days spent teaching/in directed time over the year and see how many are left over. If they want attendance, they can pay for any extra.

And what if the INSET falls on an ordinary working day, e.g. you're on a 0.6 contract, usual working Monday, Tues, Weds but all the Inset days fall on Mondays when you would usually be in anyway....

YetAnotherNewNameAgain · 23/07/2025 12:28

Makingpeace · 23/07/2025 11:59

And what if the INSET falls on an ordinary working day, e.g. you're on a 0.6 contract, usual working Monday, Tues, Weds but all the Inset days fall on Mondays when you would usually be in anyway....

I don't understand this. 0.6 of 195 days is what you need to be available for. Whether it's a teaching day, training day or trip day. You can't be asked to work more than this and can't be asked to work a non work day (win you can be asked, but not required. And you should be paid)

LottieMary · 23/07/2025 12:44

You don’t need to work on your non working days.
you should be paid for any time you go in on a non working day. You could offer toil if you prefer.

you should do 60% of the cpd if you’re 0.6 contract - if all your meetings are on Mondays and you work, take roughly two a term as your PT entitlement.

they should also enable you to have time for anything mandatory you miss on a day off so if 1 hour is everyone doing safeguarding training online then one of your 1-hour Monday meetings should really be doing that as well.

TizerorFizz · 23/07/2025 12:51

@DorothyStorm I am not really getting that sense. Most sensible people negotiate and find a way around it because they work in a collaborative environment with a supportive team. Some deputy heads are part time for example. There’s job shares. Most decent schools work this out without unions or teachers refusing to be in. However I’m used to reasonable people which, increasingly it seems, SLTs are not. Who wants to work in a battle ground though with non supportive colleagues? Pleasant schools get staff and keep them but there’s a certain amount of give and take.

noblegiraffe · 23/07/2025 13:08

Makingpeace · 23/07/2025 11:59

And what if the INSET falls on an ordinary working day, e.g. you're on a 0.6 contract, usual working Monday, Tues, Weds but all the Inset days fall on Mondays when you would usually be in anyway....

Then you only do 3 out of the five and get the other two Mondays off.

YetAnotherNewNameAgain · 23/07/2025 13:19

noblegiraffe · 23/07/2025 13:08

Then you only do 3 out of the five and get the other two Mondays off.

Surely only if it takes you over the 0.6 proportion of 195 days? A work day is a work day regardless what happens, surely?

noblegiraffe · 23/07/2025 13:34

YetAnotherNewNameAgain · 23/07/2025 13:19

Surely only if it takes you over the 0.6 proportion of 195 days? A work day is a work day regardless what happens, surely?

No, there are 190 teaching days and 5 INSET days which are treated separately. Part timers are only required to attend a proportion of INSETs that match their contract.

Soontobe60 · 23/07/2025 13:48

noblegiraffe · 23/07/2025 13:34

No, there are 190 teaching days and 5 INSET days which are treated separately. Part timers are only required to attend a proportion of INSETs that match their contract.

That’s not correct. PT teachers work a % of 195 days.

TizerorFizz · 23/07/2025 13:56

Don’t most schools just sort this out amicably?

noblegiraffe · 23/07/2025 14:14

Soontobe60 · 23/07/2025 13:48

That’s not correct. PT teachers work a % of 195 days.

They work a % of directed time. So if more of their directed time is being taken up by INSET than an equivalent part-timer, directed time needs to be reduced elsewhere.

Makingpeace · 23/07/2025 14:26

noblegiraffe · 23/07/2025 13:08

Then you only do 3 out of the five and get the other two Mondays off.

@noblegiraffe I think I've been made a mug of it this is the case!

Would it be my responsibility to know this and tell the school I won't be in on Monday Xth and Monday Yth INSET days, or should the school tell me I am only expected at 3 of 5 INSETs?

Makingpeace · 23/07/2025 14:27

Think I need to ask for a break down of my directed time.

noblegiraffe · 23/07/2025 14:37

Makingpeace · 23/07/2025 14:26

@noblegiraffe I think I've been made a mug of it this is the case!

Would it be my responsibility to know this and tell the school I won't be in on Monday Xth and Monday Yth INSET days, or should the school tell me I am only expected at 3 of 5 INSETs?

I basically work every day so I tell the school which INSETs I won't be doing. I'd always do the beginning of the year ones but some of the later ones are absolutely missable.

Part time workers basically need to assert themselves otherwise they are expected to turn up for everything the same as full time workers. I've had to point out multiple times when the duty rota comes out that I will not be doing the same number as a full timer.

Makingpeace · 23/07/2025 14:48

noblegiraffe · 23/07/2025 14:37

I basically work every day so I tell the school which INSETs I won't be doing. I'd always do the beginning of the year ones but some of the later ones are absolutely missable.

Part time workers basically need to assert themselves otherwise they are expected to turn up for everything the same as full time workers. I've had to point out multiple times when the duty rota comes out that I will not be doing the same number as a full timer.

Ah yes I can understand you'd have to firmly advocate for yourself as a part time worker in every day.

Our INSETs this year were partly covered been by Twilights, as well as proper training days, just to confuse matters further. Next year looks to be better in that sense so hopefully it will be quite straightforward to work out.

YetAnotherNewNameAgain · 23/07/2025 14:54

noblegiraffe · 23/07/2025 14:37

I basically work every day so I tell the school which INSETs I won't be doing. I'd always do the beginning of the year ones but some of the later ones are absolutely missable.

Part time workers basically need to assert themselves otherwise they are expected to turn up for everything the same as full time workers. I've had to point out multiple times when the duty rota comes out that I will not be doing the same number as a full timer.

I was managed out of a job for standing up for myself. That’s why I feel so strongly about everyone making a stand and doing things correctly.

It's interesting what you say about the training days, although even my union never advised me about that.

I am so much happier now that I am out of it all.

YetAnotherNewNameAgain · 23/07/2025 14:55

TizerorFizz · 23/07/2025 13:56

Don’t most schools just sort this out amicably?

Hahahahahahahaha

You would think…

YetAnotherNewNameAgain · 23/07/2025 14:56

noblegiraffe · 23/07/2025 14:14

They work a % of directed time. So if more of their directed time is being taken up by INSET than an equivalent part-timer, directed time needs to be reduced elsewhere.

I understood training days to be a part of directed time.

noblegiraffe · 23/07/2025 15:00

YetAnotherNewNameAgain · 23/07/2025 14:56

I understood training days to be a part of directed time.

Yes, non teaching directed time. And part timers have to be careful that they are only doing 0.6 (or whatever their contract is) of non-teaching activities like INSET, parents evenings, duties, meetings. Or they are being shafted.

Makingpeace · 23/07/2025 15:09

noblegiraffe · 23/07/2025 15:00

Yes, non teaching directed time. And part timers have to be careful that they are only doing 0.6 (or whatever their contract is) of non-teaching activities like INSET, parents evenings, duties, meetings. Or they are being shafted.

I've just looked at the NEU and NASUWT for a bit of clarity and I'm still confused.

It says on NEU that directed time "is a maximum of 1,265 hours per academic year, spread over 195 days.

Teachers can be required to teach for 190 days, the maximum length of the pupil year.

Teachers can be required to work a further five non-teaching (usually inset) days. These hours count towards the 1,265 hour limit.

Part-time teachers work the prorated equivalent according to the fraction of full-time pay they receive - use our directed time calculator."

It doesn't say that the teaching days and INSET days are treated separately though, but it does say that INSET days are included in the hours for directed time.

Thoughts?

noblegiraffe · 23/07/2025 15:16

If you have a look at union directed time calculators for part time teachers you'll see that INSETs are grouped under 'non teaching activities'

https://www.ealingneu.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Improved-DT-calculator.xls

https://www.ealingneu.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Improved-DT-calculator.xls

TizerorFizz · 23/07/2025 18:21

@YetAnotherNewNameAgainDecent ones actually do! Surprising as that might seem.