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4+ Assessments 2025

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KnackeredBunny · 22/05/2025 11:24

Main thread for 2025 applications. Can’t find the previous thread for 2025 but from memory it has a typo in the title. I’ve only made this one to make sure everyone finds it easily!

Advice from previous assessments gladly taken. This is our first time applying. It’s a little early still so why don’t we start with where everyone is applying?

We’re looking at The Hall, Alleyn’s, Habs, Highgate UCS, and Manor Lodge. Have looked at some prep from previous threads and starting to think we’re seriously under-prepared…

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JJMK · 26/01/2026 15:06

KnackeredBunny · 26/01/2026 15:02

The Avenue specifically do not prep for 4+ as they are a 7+ school

you’re better off going for Clowns or the like

I have heard incredible things about Avenue for 7+ though

Technically true though their Nursery 4+ results are comparable to Clowns.

And yes, they are amazing for 7+.

KnackeredBunny · 26/01/2026 15:11

JJMK · 26/01/2026 15:06

Technically true though their Nursery 4+ results are comparable to Clowns.

And yes, they are amazing for 7+.

Edited

Is that the school or parents tutoring?

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DadsnBoys · 26/01/2026 15:16

@northernlass1001 I’d be very happy to share our experience. I remember being completely puzzled at the beginning too.

My partner and I aren’t from the UK, so all the terms like single‑sex/co-ed, 4+/7+/11+/13+, day vs. boarding, and state/grammar/public/independent might as well have been a new language to us. We both grew up abroad, went through ordinary state schools, and somehow ended up in fine universities and careers. Our system was probably closest to UK grammar schools, very exam‑heavy and frankly quite brutal, and I don’t think my DC would thrive in that kind of environment.

We also aren’t native English speakers and speak our own language at home. We didn’t even know the nursery rhymes that every British child seems to sing instinctively. A year ago, DC spoke very basic English, now he corrects my pronunciation! That’s actually one of the reasons we decided to work with a tutor who is also a primary school teacher: someone who could “play” with him in English, gently fill the gaps we didn’t know existed, and help bridge the cultural side we could not provide at home. She comes once a week, and I share all the nursery feedback with her (and she with me). It helps to triangulate everything and make sure the message is consistent. I don’t want all my eggs in either the nursery or tutor basket.

Because we rent and aren’t tied to a specific area, we’ve been quite location‑agnostic. We’re planning to buy once we know where DC will likely spend the next decade from Reception onward.

I basically worked out the school list backwards: I looked at reputable senior schools first, then identified which preps feed into them, and then which of those preps have pre‑preps. That gave us a shortlist of solid 4+ pre‑preps and a list of 7+ preps that usually act as junior/under‑schools to the main senior schools.

We then picked a nursery that feeds well into the 4+ list, works for us on hour/lunch option/distance, and have a back-up non-selective school prepping for 7+ if he doesn't get in any 4+ ones on our list. Despite its reputation for being academic, I’ve genuinely found it nurturing and no where close to what I would call it brutal/curel — DC even asks to go on weekends.

We try to read to DC every day and have meaningful conversations, but we both work full‑time and DC goes to bed around 7:30–8:00pm, so our time is limited. The tutor and nursery do most of the structured work; we focus on the emotional and behavioural side at home.

There is a list of things worth practising, puzzles, drawing, name‑writing, listening to stories, but honestly, I found the biggest challenge was confidence. They need to be comfortable around new children, new toys, and new adults, and still show the best version of themselves. It’s less about phonics or numbers and more like a mini group interview (it reminded me of the assessment centres I had for my first job!). They’re looking for: personality, curiosity, concentration, collaboration, ability to separate happily, emotional readiness

You can’t drill these. The nursery did most of the heavy lifting socially; the tutor and nursery together handled the academic bits; and we focused on manners and emotional grounding at home. Altogether, it took about 18 months.

We also did a few group playdate sessions between August and November before assessments kicked off. That helped enormously. DC walked into all sessions happily, with zero separation anxiety. Reducing uncertainty was key.

My DC is clever, but not what I’d call exceptionally bright, at least for now. I used to live with someone in senior school who are now a tenured professor at Stanford/Researcher at Google DeepMind/Economics at Central bank, so I’ve seen true academic brilliance up close! I never tested his IQ but private schools in Silicon Valley requires IQ test above 130 as part of the application package at 4/5+, how crazy the world is.

But two schools that offered us places gave feedback like:

“He is very careful with his writing and methodical in his tasks. He sat well during story time and had good focus.”
“He is confident and holds his pencil in a tripod grip.”
“He comes with a positive attitude and has a charming character.”

So from our experience, being grounded, confident, happy, and comfortable in a group setting matters just as much as (if not more than) academics at this age.

JJMK · 26/01/2026 15:20

KnackeredBunny · 26/01/2026 15:11

Is that the school or parents tutoring?

Probably both.

sheepi · 26/01/2026 15:36

We didn’t tutor and quite a few on here didn't either. Daughter doesn’t go to a feeder either. I think the way they interact in groups and demonstrate confidence and independence carries a lot of weight at 4+. Essentially they’re looking for natural ability and teachability

londonmum2025 · 26/01/2026 15:37

DadsnBoys · 26/01/2026 15:16

@northernlass1001 I’d be very happy to share our experience. I remember being completely puzzled at the beginning too.

My partner and I aren’t from the UK, so all the terms like single‑sex/co-ed, 4+/7+/11+/13+, day vs. boarding, and state/grammar/public/independent might as well have been a new language to us. We both grew up abroad, went through ordinary state schools, and somehow ended up in fine universities and careers. Our system was probably closest to UK grammar schools, very exam‑heavy and frankly quite brutal, and I don’t think my DC would thrive in that kind of environment.

We also aren’t native English speakers and speak our own language at home. We didn’t even know the nursery rhymes that every British child seems to sing instinctively. A year ago, DC spoke very basic English, now he corrects my pronunciation! That’s actually one of the reasons we decided to work with a tutor who is also a primary school teacher: someone who could “play” with him in English, gently fill the gaps we didn’t know existed, and help bridge the cultural side we could not provide at home. She comes once a week, and I share all the nursery feedback with her (and she with me). It helps to triangulate everything and make sure the message is consistent. I don’t want all my eggs in either the nursery or tutor basket.

Because we rent and aren’t tied to a specific area, we’ve been quite location‑agnostic. We’re planning to buy once we know where DC will likely spend the next decade from Reception onward.

I basically worked out the school list backwards: I looked at reputable senior schools first, then identified which preps feed into them, and then which of those preps have pre‑preps. That gave us a shortlist of solid 4+ pre‑preps and a list of 7+ preps that usually act as junior/under‑schools to the main senior schools.

We then picked a nursery that feeds well into the 4+ list, works for us on hour/lunch option/distance, and have a back-up non-selective school prepping for 7+ if he doesn't get in any 4+ ones on our list. Despite its reputation for being academic, I’ve genuinely found it nurturing and no where close to what I would call it brutal/curel — DC even asks to go on weekends.

We try to read to DC every day and have meaningful conversations, but we both work full‑time and DC goes to bed around 7:30–8:00pm, so our time is limited. The tutor and nursery do most of the structured work; we focus on the emotional and behavioural side at home.

There is a list of things worth practising, puzzles, drawing, name‑writing, listening to stories, but honestly, I found the biggest challenge was confidence. They need to be comfortable around new children, new toys, and new adults, and still show the best version of themselves. It’s less about phonics or numbers and more like a mini group interview (it reminded me of the assessment centres I had for my first job!). They’re looking for: personality, curiosity, concentration, collaboration, ability to separate happily, emotional readiness

You can’t drill these. The nursery did most of the heavy lifting socially; the tutor and nursery together handled the academic bits; and we focused on manners and emotional grounding at home. Altogether, it took about 18 months.

We also did a few group playdate sessions between August and November before assessments kicked off. That helped enormously. DC walked into all sessions happily, with zero separation anxiety. Reducing uncertainty was key.

My DC is clever, but not what I’d call exceptionally bright, at least for now. I used to live with someone in senior school who are now a tenured professor at Stanford/Researcher at Google DeepMind/Economics at Central bank, so I’ve seen true academic brilliance up close! I never tested his IQ but private schools in Silicon Valley requires IQ test above 130 as part of the application package at 4/5+, how crazy the world is.

But two schools that offered us places gave feedback like:

“He is very careful with his writing and methodical in his tasks. He sat well during story time and had good focus.”
“He is confident and holds his pencil in a tripod grip.”
“He comes with a positive attitude and has a charming character.”

So from our experience, being grounded, confident, happy, and comfortable in a group setting matters just as much as (if not more than) academics at this age.

Are you able to share details of the tutor please

musiemus · 26/01/2026 15:50

DadsnBoys · 26/01/2026 15:16

@northernlass1001 I’d be very happy to share our experience. I remember being completely puzzled at the beginning too.

My partner and I aren’t from the UK, so all the terms like single‑sex/co-ed, 4+/7+/11+/13+, day vs. boarding, and state/grammar/public/independent might as well have been a new language to us. We both grew up abroad, went through ordinary state schools, and somehow ended up in fine universities and careers. Our system was probably closest to UK grammar schools, very exam‑heavy and frankly quite brutal, and I don’t think my DC would thrive in that kind of environment.

We also aren’t native English speakers and speak our own language at home. We didn’t even know the nursery rhymes that every British child seems to sing instinctively. A year ago, DC spoke very basic English, now he corrects my pronunciation! That’s actually one of the reasons we decided to work with a tutor who is also a primary school teacher: someone who could “play” with him in English, gently fill the gaps we didn’t know existed, and help bridge the cultural side we could not provide at home. She comes once a week, and I share all the nursery feedback with her (and she with me). It helps to triangulate everything and make sure the message is consistent. I don’t want all my eggs in either the nursery or tutor basket.

Because we rent and aren’t tied to a specific area, we’ve been quite location‑agnostic. We’re planning to buy once we know where DC will likely spend the next decade from Reception onward.

I basically worked out the school list backwards: I looked at reputable senior schools first, then identified which preps feed into them, and then which of those preps have pre‑preps. That gave us a shortlist of solid 4+ pre‑preps and a list of 7+ preps that usually act as junior/under‑schools to the main senior schools.

We then picked a nursery that feeds well into the 4+ list, works for us on hour/lunch option/distance, and have a back-up non-selective school prepping for 7+ if he doesn't get in any 4+ ones on our list. Despite its reputation for being academic, I’ve genuinely found it nurturing and no where close to what I would call it brutal/curel — DC even asks to go on weekends.

We try to read to DC every day and have meaningful conversations, but we both work full‑time and DC goes to bed around 7:30–8:00pm, so our time is limited. The tutor and nursery do most of the structured work; we focus on the emotional and behavioural side at home.

There is a list of things worth practising, puzzles, drawing, name‑writing, listening to stories, but honestly, I found the biggest challenge was confidence. They need to be comfortable around new children, new toys, and new adults, and still show the best version of themselves. It’s less about phonics or numbers and more like a mini group interview (it reminded me of the assessment centres I had for my first job!). They’re looking for: personality, curiosity, concentration, collaboration, ability to separate happily, emotional readiness

You can’t drill these. The nursery did most of the heavy lifting socially; the tutor and nursery together handled the academic bits; and we focused on manners and emotional grounding at home. Altogether, it took about 18 months.

We also did a few group playdate sessions between August and November before assessments kicked off. That helped enormously. DC walked into all sessions happily, with zero separation anxiety. Reducing uncertainty was key.

My DC is clever, but not what I’d call exceptionally bright, at least for now. I used to live with someone in senior school who are now a tenured professor at Stanford/Researcher at Google DeepMind/Economics at Central bank, so I’ve seen true academic brilliance up close! I never tested his IQ but private schools in Silicon Valley requires IQ test above 130 as part of the application package at 4/5+, how crazy the world is.

But two schools that offered us places gave feedback like:

“He is very careful with his writing and methodical in his tasks. He sat well during story time and had good focus.”
“He is confident and holds his pencil in a tripod grip.”
“He comes with a positive attitude and has a charming character.”

So from our experience, being grounded, confident, happy, and comfortable in a group setting matters just as much as (if not more than) academics at this age.

This is an excellent post and thought a public show of appreciation is warranted.

Thank you.

northernlass1001 · 26/01/2026 15:59

DadsnBoys · 26/01/2026 15:16

@northernlass1001 I’d be very happy to share our experience. I remember being completely puzzled at the beginning too.

My partner and I aren’t from the UK, so all the terms like single‑sex/co-ed, 4+/7+/11+/13+, day vs. boarding, and state/grammar/public/independent might as well have been a new language to us. We both grew up abroad, went through ordinary state schools, and somehow ended up in fine universities and careers. Our system was probably closest to UK grammar schools, very exam‑heavy and frankly quite brutal, and I don’t think my DC would thrive in that kind of environment.

We also aren’t native English speakers and speak our own language at home. We didn’t even know the nursery rhymes that every British child seems to sing instinctively. A year ago, DC spoke very basic English, now he corrects my pronunciation! That’s actually one of the reasons we decided to work with a tutor who is also a primary school teacher: someone who could “play” with him in English, gently fill the gaps we didn’t know existed, and help bridge the cultural side we could not provide at home. She comes once a week, and I share all the nursery feedback with her (and she with me). It helps to triangulate everything and make sure the message is consistent. I don’t want all my eggs in either the nursery or tutor basket.

Because we rent and aren’t tied to a specific area, we’ve been quite location‑agnostic. We’re planning to buy once we know where DC will likely spend the next decade from Reception onward.

I basically worked out the school list backwards: I looked at reputable senior schools first, then identified which preps feed into them, and then which of those preps have pre‑preps. That gave us a shortlist of solid 4+ pre‑preps and a list of 7+ preps that usually act as junior/under‑schools to the main senior schools.

We then picked a nursery that feeds well into the 4+ list, works for us on hour/lunch option/distance, and have a back-up non-selective school prepping for 7+ if he doesn't get in any 4+ ones on our list. Despite its reputation for being academic, I’ve genuinely found it nurturing and no where close to what I would call it brutal/curel — DC even asks to go on weekends.

We try to read to DC every day and have meaningful conversations, but we both work full‑time and DC goes to bed around 7:30–8:00pm, so our time is limited. The tutor and nursery do most of the structured work; we focus on the emotional and behavioural side at home.

There is a list of things worth practising, puzzles, drawing, name‑writing, listening to stories, but honestly, I found the biggest challenge was confidence. They need to be comfortable around new children, new toys, and new adults, and still show the best version of themselves. It’s less about phonics or numbers and more like a mini group interview (it reminded me of the assessment centres I had for my first job!). They’re looking for: personality, curiosity, concentration, collaboration, ability to separate happily, emotional readiness

You can’t drill these. The nursery did most of the heavy lifting socially; the tutor and nursery together handled the academic bits; and we focused on manners and emotional grounding at home. Altogether, it took about 18 months.

We also did a few group playdate sessions between August and November before assessments kicked off. That helped enormously. DC walked into all sessions happily, with zero separation anxiety. Reducing uncertainty was key.

My DC is clever, but not what I’d call exceptionally bright, at least for now. I used to live with someone in senior school who are now a tenured professor at Stanford/Researcher at Google DeepMind/Economics at Central bank, so I’ve seen true academic brilliance up close! I never tested his IQ but private schools in Silicon Valley requires IQ test above 130 as part of the application package at 4/5+, how crazy the world is.

But two schools that offered us places gave feedback like:

“He is very careful with his writing and methodical in his tasks. He sat well during story time and had good focus.”
“He is confident and holds his pencil in a tripod grip.”
“He comes with a positive attitude and has a charming character.”

So from our experience, being grounded, confident, happy, and comfortable in a group setting matters just as much as (if not more than) academics at this age.

So kind of you to take the time to provide such a detailed answer and demystify the whole thing. Our kid is pretty shy so maybe 7+ might suit them better (luckily their nursery goes to then) but it’s very useful to understand what can be taught and what is more innate.

getsetdad · 26/01/2026 16:31

DadsnBoys · 26/01/2026 15:16

@northernlass1001 I’d be very happy to share our experience. I remember being completely puzzled at the beginning too.

My partner and I aren’t from the UK, so all the terms like single‑sex/co-ed, 4+/7+/11+/13+, day vs. boarding, and state/grammar/public/independent might as well have been a new language to us. We both grew up abroad, went through ordinary state schools, and somehow ended up in fine universities and careers. Our system was probably closest to UK grammar schools, very exam‑heavy and frankly quite brutal, and I don’t think my DC would thrive in that kind of environment.

We also aren’t native English speakers and speak our own language at home. We didn’t even know the nursery rhymes that every British child seems to sing instinctively. A year ago, DC spoke very basic English, now he corrects my pronunciation! That’s actually one of the reasons we decided to work with a tutor who is also a primary school teacher: someone who could “play” with him in English, gently fill the gaps we didn’t know existed, and help bridge the cultural side we could not provide at home. She comes once a week, and I share all the nursery feedback with her (and she with me). It helps to triangulate everything and make sure the message is consistent. I don’t want all my eggs in either the nursery or tutor basket.

Because we rent and aren’t tied to a specific area, we’ve been quite location‑agnostic. We’re planning to buy once we know where DC will likely spend the next decade from Reception onward.

I basically worked out the school list backwards: I looked at reputable senior schools first, then identified which preps feed into them, and then which of those preps have pre‑preps. That gave us a shortlist of solid 4+ pre‑preps and a list of 7+ preps that usually act as junior/under‑schools to the main senior schools.

We then picked a nursery that feeds well into the 4+ list, works for us on hour/lunch option/distance, and have a back-up non-selective school prepping for 7+ if he doesn't get in any 4+ ones on our list. Despite its reputation for being academic, I’ve genuinely found it nurturing and no where close to what I would call it brutal/curel — DC even asks to go on weekends.

We try to read to DC every day and have meaningful conversations, but we both work full‑time and DC goes to bed around 7:30–8:00pm, so our time is limited. The tutor and nursery do most of the structured work; we focus on the emotional and behavioural side at home.

There is a list of things worth practising, puzzles, drawing, name‑writing, listening to stories, but honestly, I found the biggest challenge was confidence. They need to be comfortable around new children, new toys, and new adults, and still show the best version of themselves. It’s less about phonics or numbers and more like a mini group interview (it reminded me of the assessment centres I had for my first job!). They’re looking for: personality, curiosity, concentration, collaboration, ability to separate happily, emotional readiness

You can’t drill these. The nursery did most of the heavy lifting socially; the tutor and nursery together handled the academic bits; and we focused on manners and emotional grounding at home. Altogether, it took about 18 months.

We also did a few group playdate sessions between August and November before assessments kicked off. That helped enormously. DC walked into all sessions happily, with zero separation anxiety. Reducing uncertainty was key.

My DC is clever, but not what I’d call exceptionally bright, at least for now. I used to live with someone in senior school who are now a tenured professor at Stanford/Researcher at Google DeepMind/Economics at Central bank, so I’ve seen true academic brilliance up close! I never tested his IQ but private schools in Silicon Valley requires IQ test above 130 as part of the application package at 4/5+, how crazy the world is.

But two schools that offered us places gave feedback like:

“He is very careful with his writing and methodical in his tasks. He sat well during story time and had good focus.”
“He is confident and holds his pencil in a tripod grip.”
“He comes with a positive attitude and has a charming character.”

So from our experience, being grounded, confident, happy, and comfortable in a group setting matters just as much as (if not more than) academics at this age.

This is a great post for many. I happen to be fundamentally against this way of thinking, but for parents who like that level of meticulous planning, I think it can be helpful. But I just want to emphasise this can and is most often done without tutors, event with two working parents. Please don't think this is what is required to get DC into these schools at 4+! It is a solid approach, and certainly one which would benefit 7+.

getsetdad · 26/01/2026 16:56

Sorry to add on to here. We absolutely would consider tutoring if we felt we need it!!

NaughtyParent · 26/01/2026 17:04

sheepi · 26/01/2026 15:36

We didn’t tutor and quite a few on here didn't either. Daughter doesn’t go to a feeder either. I think the way they interact in groups and demonstrate confidence and independence carries a lot of weight at 4+. Essentially they’re looking for natural ability and teachability

Every school would prefer higher ability but it's a rather imprecise science assessing that when meeting a child for the first time for 1.5 hours, so they tend to focus on teachability. And children who have already been taught tend to look more teachable.

OneSillyBlueUser · 26/01/2026 17:41

We did not do the North London schools but the Dulwich ones. Happy for folks doing the Dulwich schools next year to PM me and I can share what worked for us and what was asked in her assessments (DD was surprisingly detailed with her report 😄).

JaneMirage · 27/01/2026 14:12

We got multiple offers from the most selective North and West London schools. My takeaway is:

  1. feeder nurseries and tutors are helpings a lot of the kids who get in, but there are some who used both and still ended up with no offers.
  2. seems like schools will adjust for the feeder nursery factor and will hold higher standards for those kids.
  3. schools will prioritise children who can thrive better in their school environment rather than just excel academically
Maybourne · 27/01/2026 15:14

Hello, is there anyone else on this thread considering Westminster under? DC has been waitlisted but we have no indication of what the deadline is for offer holders or if the waitlist is ranked. Keen to hear from anyone that could share any details 🙏

Gracefulgreen · 27/01/2026 22:05

Anyone got in habs boys reception and living in Highgate and Hampstead? We are both full time working parents so have to use coach services but feeling if that is ok for 4 yr oldyoung kid. Any suggestions?@

MyTwoDads · 27/01/2026 22:28

@Gracefulgreen have you checked with the school that they allow Reception children on the coach? My school only allowed Year 3 upwards on the school bus. Lots of schools have car sharing apps and promote car pooling - that might be a better option for you.

Gracefulgreen · 27/01/2026 22:55

@MyTwoDads Thank you for your suggestion. School do have some stops for reception kids with chaperone since last year that indeed the option. But this feels a lot for 4yr old as dropping to stops and coach travel adds a lot more time.I will look for car pooling options if any.

Jamie3 · 28/01/2026 02:05

I believe Habs have started a seperate coach service just for reception children and it’s a smaller coach not the large ones used for the older kids

Fairy12456 · 28/01/2026 06:00

Is anyone going to the offer holders morning at Habs boys this week? Does anybody know what will be covered?

Solasum · 28/01/2026 06:40

My DC are now older, but having watched many years of little ones start reception, and several of the smallest ones fall asleep on pickup as they are so tired, I would advise strongly against a long or complicated school run, especially for pre-prep age.

Justadad28 · 28/01/2026 07:35

Solasum · 28/01/2026 06:40

My DC are now older, but having watched many years of little ones start reception, and several of the smallest ones fall asleep on pickup as they are so tired, I would advise strongly against a long or complicated school run, especially for pre-prep age.

Thanks, please can you elaborate more on your observation? Many have said a Reception child will quickly get used to the long commute and will enjoy it - but what are your thoughts with that Vs a, say, 8 year old?

Jamie3 · 28/01/2026 08:50

For the Habs offer morning generally they have leadership team, other teachers, sports department, clubs and coach service stations so you have the opportunity to ask any questions before making your decision. They also have current parents whose child is at the school as they know people like to speak to other parents.

as you already have an offer it’s an opportunity to ask any questions that you may have been weary of asking pre-offer and really just to make sure it’s the right fit for your child

Gracefulgreen · 28/01/2026 10:17

@Fairy12456 we will be joining offer holders morning and in their mail they have provided the link and gathering info about what parents would like to know on that day?
I have requested about the travel network info and short tour about the key areas in pre prep. Check that form link in their mail if you have anything specific to ask.

getsetdad · 28/01/2026 10:29

has anyone been to one of the highgate offer holders events and what are they like?

Solasum · 28/01/2026 10:33

Justadad28 · 28/01/2026 07:35

Thanks, please can you elaborate more on your observation? Many have said a Reception child will quickly get used to the long commute and will enjoy it - but what are your thoughts with that Vs a, say, 8 year old?

Honestly, I don’t think any child ‘enjoys’ a long commute if the alternative is them being at home playing. They are still so tiny at 4 years old, and they need time just to chill at home.

By the time they get to 8 years old, they may well be learning an instrument or wanting to do extra sports outside of school as well, on top of the homework preps usually set. A long commute on top of this will be exhausting for the child and add logistical complications.

Why make life harder than it needs to be? Either move close to the school renting, or pick a school close to home if you own. If anyone has to do a long commute it should be an adult not a tiny child. In my view anyway!

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