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Blinking pc crap about suncream at school...

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CountessDracula · 08/05/2008 11:12

dd is in reception

A couple of days ago her teacher said that they are not allowed to put suncream on children

Fair enough I guess - but she said that they can bring suncream in and put on themselves. DD is very adept at this.

So today I slapped some on and took her in with a bottle. Now they ahve changed their minds and the children can't put it on at all.

ffs
it's maaaaaaaaaaaaaaad I tell you

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misdee · 08/05/2008 13:08

i remember overhearing a parent getting told at nursery that the top they had sent their dd in wasnt suitable. it was a litttle vest top. nursery ask for shoulders to be covered.

RubberDuck · 08/05/2008 13:10

Report here

Suntan warnings 'causing deficiency in vitamin D'

THE HEALTH of millions of people is being put at risk by "outdated and mistaken" government warnings about the dangers of going out in the sun, according to a report published today.

British people are more at risk of developing diseases associated with a lack of vitamin D because they are not getting enough sunlight than they are of contracting skin cancer.

Experts called for the advice on sunbathing to be reversed, with a new campaign encouraging people to tan themselves for up to half an hour a day.

The report, published by the Health Research Forum, is a review of hundreds of scientific papers and criticises the campaigns of cancer charities and the Government on the dangers of excessive sunlight.

Its author, Oliver Gillie, said: "The policy cautions the public to avoid exposure to the sun while making no concessions to the health benefits of sunlight. In fact, any benefit derived by this policy in prevention of skin cancer is greatly outweighed by the disease deficits incurred by the loss of vitamin D.

"Continuing with these government recommendations can only increase vitamin D deficiency in the population and so lead to an increase in ill-health and premature death."

The official SunSmart campaign, backed by the Government and promoted by the Cancer Research Campaign charity, has warned for 10 years that "there is no such thing as a safe tan". It was copied from a similar campaign in Australia, and the advice includes wearing factor 15 suncream at all times and staying in the shade.

The Health Research Forum study says this advice is "totally unsuited" to Britain and should be abandoned, because our climate is less sunny. The report recommends that people should put on sun-cream only after they have been in the sun for five to ten minutes, in order to allow vitamin D to be made in the skin.

Vitamin D plays a role in helping the body to absorb calcium, as well as affecting cell growth and other tissues.

Studies have linked vitamin D deficiencies to a range of chronic diseases, including heart disease, schizophrenia and some cancers.

Sunlight is the origin of up 90 per cent of vitamin D in the body, but many people are not exposed to the sun sufficiently, so are at risk of developing diseases related to the deficiency. The bone disease osteoporosis has also been linked to a lack of the vitamin.

The report says that a white-skinned person in the UK needs at least three 20-minute sessions a week of sunbathing in bright midday sunlight in order to obtain the maximum amount of vitamin D needed by the body.

Earlier this year, the head of the UK working party on skin cancer prevention also criticised the "no safe tan" campaign. Dr Neil Walker said: "I think we need to look at this again. I think telling people to avoid the sun entirely is draconian and unnecessary."

Sara Hiom, a spokeswoman for the Cancer Research Campaign, said: "A tan is a sign of DNA damage which could lead to skin cancer later in life. Of course having a tiny bit of a golden tan is safer than burning in the sun, but we have to come out with these rather strident comments to get the message across."

More than 7,000 people a year are diagnosed with melanoma, the most serious form of skin cancer, and some 1,500 die from it.

Enid · 08/05/2008 13:10

i have similar concerns rubberduck

I use the fact 16 version of this

it seems to last all day

Enid · 08/05/2008 13:11

I like seeing slightly rosy/golden children

they invariably look healthier and happier than very pale children

Smithagain · 08/05/2008 13:13

I must say that I have two pale-skinned, easily burned children. But neither of them has ever burned by 3pm if they have a decent application of a high factor, water-resistant cream in the morning. Just make sure you do a decent job before they go out.

DrNortherner · 08/05/2008 13:13

I agree with Enid. Totally.

DrNortherner · 08/05/2008 13:14

But then I have a ds who only has to spend 5 mins in teh sun and turns teh colour of golden toffee.

Flame · 08/05/2008 13:16

You seriously get upset about sunscreen at school?

Maybe I will worry more when DS is there - he is likely to be more DH skin (burns at the teeniest glimmer of sun), but DD doesn't have a problem and I want her to enjoy her break time rather than waste it in a sunscreen line up

wannaBe · 08/05/2008 13:22

when I was 18 I had an alergic reaction to sunscreen. It was a different from the norm brand which a friend had given me to put on my face which burns very easily. Within 30 minutes I was itching all over, my entire face had swolen and I was unable to breathe. I had never experienced anything like it before or since, and I honestly don't know what was in the sunscreen, but it would make me think twice about applying sunscreen to a child I didn't know.

And generally I'm of the opinion that the world has gone mad on these things.

PosieParker · 08/05/2008 13:24

There's a sunscreen that lasts all day with just one application, maybe that's the way forward.

bozza · 08/05/2008 13:25

Yes at DD's nursery they have their own sensitive hypo-allergenic suncream or you can send in your own.

Northerner I used to take things to school. I distinctly remember a rather fetching kermit the frog bag.

Riven that is appalling. As if you don't have enough battles without this. Also I would imagine that not moving around your DD would be quite prone to catching the sun.

policywonk · 08/05/2008 13:28

This has nothing to do with political correctness, has it?

(In my capacity as Defender of the PC)

singersgirl · 08/05/2008 13:29

I agree with Enid - and Dr Northerner - too. I'd never thought of putting on sunscreen for school and panicked when I saw other people applying it in the playground. But then I realised that the boys were coming home from school unburnt. I guess their skin is not ultra-fair.

I probably would apply it before school morning if the temperature gpt up to 30 or so. But I would think one application of an all-day or high factor cream would be enough for the relatively little sun exposure they get at school.

Actually we've realised DS2 is allergic to high factor sunscreen - he goes very red and looks burnt! He's fine with 15 or below, though.

Out of interest, CD, why isn't your daughter allowed to apply it herself? I understand why the teacher can't; in fact, the topic came up after our governors' meeting last night. I keep looking out for who-I-think-you-are, so will say hi next time I see 'you'.

MehgaLegs · 08/05/2008 13:30

Not only will our school not put it on, if you send a bottle in you have to attach a note explaining how the child must put it on WTF??

And why does the Ambre Solaire, Nivea, Puiz brown stuff cost a tenner or more and the Sainsbo's own brand cost just £3?

I slap a bit on them as they go out the door and that's that.

Flame · 08/05/2008 13:31

I sprayed DD's head this morning - mainly because I burnt myself on Tuesday , and it hurts when I brush my hair now, so didn't want her with a burnt parting

As a general rule though my kids are lucky if I remember their lunch, let alone sunscreen

brimfull · 08/05/2008 13:32

I am shite mum,I just send ds in a hat,don't bother with sunscreen.

Mercy · 08/05/2008 13:33

My dd is out in the playground for about an hour at lunchtime, ie, plenty of time to get burned. In fact ds got slightly sunburned on the back of his neck at the weekend within fairly short space of time (he has short hair).

I use factor 40 on both of mine.

In NZ (and Aus) this is taken very seriously and I think we should too tbh.

Blu · 08/05/2008 13:36

pmsl at PolicyWonk.

PW - it is Political Correctness GONE MAD! of course!

In the sense that
a) sunscreen must now be applied and worried about even though UQD was burnt to a frazzle for his entire childhood and it never did him any harm
b) the application of sunscreen is clearly aligned to paedophilia
and
c) no-one has said 'yeah, but Blu, you would say that, your DS is a darkie'.

bozza · 08/05/2008 13:37

I think there are different levels of fairness though. DS is fair but does tan. DD is white as white and we did get her face burnt when she was just one in Normandy asleep in her buggy and it wasn't that warm and she had suncream and a hat on and it was about 1/2 hour.

So nice to know that you don't like the look of my daughter because we are learning from our mistakes and not letting it happen again. It is very difficult though because her excema (pretty mild) flares up in the warm weather.

RubberDuck · 08/05/2008 13:37

The reason it's taken seriously in NZ and Aus though is that (aborigines aside) the people living there didn't evolve there and therefore didn't evolve their own sun protection.

Yes, burning is horrid (which is why my kids get some factor 15 suntan lotion), but covering up in sunblock 24/7 is damaging and harmful too.

The trick is finding the balance...

ListersSister · 08/05/2008 13:41

Hey Porpoise - don't suppose you are down south at all? I want those roll ons!

I think school are right to talk about the dangers if the sun, and right to promote the wearing of hats and children applying sunscreen. For children that are too young/not able to apply it, then TA's/office staff should do so. Playgrounds should have some areas of shade.

However, I think it has become another thing to make parents worry to excess. We have to let children live a little, and not make them believe playing out in the sun is dangerous. How are they going to get the memories we have of spending long days playing in the sun if we are rushing them in every hour for sunscreen, shade breaks and cover up clothes?

sarah293 · 08/05/2008 13:44

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Mercy · 08/05/2008 13:45

Yes, but it's also to do with the ozone layer. Believe me the sun in NZ is strong - I got sunburned there - and I have a natural suntan!!

Afaik, the latest advice is to spend 10 minutes or so in the sun and then apply sunblock.

I'm amazed to read how so many fair skinned people/children don't get burned.

Oliveoil · 08/05/2008 14:12

In Australia they ahve slip, slap, slop (or somehting) meanig slip on a t-shirt, slap on a hat and slop on the sun cream

mine have cream on in the morning and wear hats to school/playgroup/park

I can see why the teachers don't want to do it tbh, 30 kids all whining about cream and how they want to go out to play etc

Oliveoil · 08/05/2008 14:13

the sun IS dangerous imo anyway, and what is 5 mins putting cream on and a hat?