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JustLaura · 26/12/2024 23:45

Not sure if this is the correct place to post?
Recently relocated.

Son is starting preschool before primary school starts in September 2025 when he turns 5.

We have booked a family holiday in May 2025.

Will we be getting fined for taking him out of preschool or do fines start once he's turned 5?

Thanks

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Jefinner · 27/12/2024 00:10

He does not legally have to be in school until he is 5 so you won't be fined. The school can threaten to withdraw his place though.

LittleHangleton · 27/12/2024 00:28

The school will probably follow process, which involves some formal letters, but the local authority cannot issue an Attendance fine relating to a child under 5.

You may face an issue if your child turns 5 in the 10 school weeks after your holiday though. The fine issued for 5 unauthorised days (10 half day sessions) in 10 school weeks. So if, say, he turns 5yo nine weeks after the holiday, then he'll be at compulsory school age and have had 5 days unauthorised absence in 10 school weeks.

Schools may also choose to be less lenient with authorising for illness with child with low attendance. They may say that absences for illness will only be authorised with medical evidence. So your holiday, and subsequent lowering of attendance data, can result in a higher liklihood of reaching 10 half day sessions of unauthorised absences, when not holidays.

(I'm an Attendance Lead at school)

JustLaura · 27/12/2024 00:41

Jefinner · 27/12/2024 00:10

He does not legally have to be in school until he is 5 so you won't be fined. The school can threaten to withdraw his place though.

Thanks @Jefinner it's unfair if they do that isn't it? If he wasn't in preschool at that point he'd be fine starting real school in the September. This seems like a minefield.

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JustLaura · 27/12/2024 00:54

LittleHangleton · 27/12/2024 00:28

The school will probably follow process, which involves some formal letters, but the local authority cannot issue an Attendance fine relating to a child under 5.

You may face an issue if your child turns 5 in the 10 school weeks after your holiday though. The fine issued for 5 unauthorised days (10 half day sessions) in 10 school weeks. So if, say, he turns 5yo nine weeks after the holiday, then he'll be at compulsory school age and have had 5 days unauthorised absence in 10 school weeks.

Schools may also choose to be less lenient with authorising for illness with child with low attendance. They may say that absences for illness will only be authorised with medical evidence. So your holiday, and subsequent lowering of attendance data, can result in a higher liklihood of reaching 10 half day sessions of unauthorised absences, when not holidays.

(I'm an Attendance Lead at school)

Thanks @LittleHangleton

This holiday has been booked for 2 years as it's partially to attend a wedding abroad too.

The holiday is for 2 weeks.

It all seems a bit harsh especially as technically he could just start school in the September and no-one would know we'd been away in May?

I just want him to settle into a routine for half days initially.

I'm a bit confused/baffled by all the attendance rules.

So say he was already 5, and I asked the school to authorise a 2 week holiday - if they authorise it, do I still get a fine? In general, are requests not authorised?

If we then returned from holiday and say he caught flu and was off school for 2 weeks ill, would that mean a fine?

Sorry for so many questions. This is all new to me.

Is there anything else I should know?

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RafaistheKingofClay · 27/12/2024 01:00

He’s in preschool. The attendance rules won’t apply. You can’t be fined, nor will they remove his place.

BoleynMemories13 · 27/12/2024 09:09

As others have said, don't fret about a fine this time as he is only at pre-school. Depending on when his birthday is, you may not even receive a fine for a term time holiday in Reception. They don't legally have to be in school until the term following their 5th birthday. That's when fines will kick in. So if he's summer born, you could even get away with a June/July 2026 holiday without a fine. However, it will still be unauthorised which will go on his attendance record.

We have many parents trying to remind us that their child isn't compulsory school age yet and therefore feel their holiday to Tenerife/Greece/Disney World etc should be authorised. This isn't the case. Just because they don't legally have to be in school yet, does not mean you have a right to your holiday being authorised. The school have to be seen to be promoting good attendance. No school is going to authorise a family holiday unless it is exceptional circumstances (someone in the household is terminally ill, forces family with a parent on leave etc). There are very few circumstances where a holiday would be authorised, even for a family wedding. As far as school is concerned, that didn't have to organised to take place abroad during term time. It may seem unfair but that is life. Schools have to be consistent with their rules/policies so it's easier to have a blanket ban on authorised holidays.

Of course, you are still entitled to take term time holidays once your child is compulsory school age. You just need to accept the fine and unauthorised absence mark (which still usually works out cheeper than paying school holiday prices, which is why many still do it).

BoleynMemories13 · 27/12/2024 09:12

JustLaura · 27/12/2024 00:54

Thanks @LittleHangleton

This holiday has been booked for 2 years as it's partially to attend a wedding abroad too.

The holiday is for 2 weeks.

It all seems a bit harsh especially as technically he could just start school in the September and no-one would know we'd been away in May?

I just want him to settle into a routine for half days initially.

I'm a bit confused/baffled by all the attendance rules.

So say he was already 5, and I asked the school to authorise a 2 week holiday - if they authorise it, do I still get a fine? In general, are requests not authorised?

If we then returned from holiday and say he caught flu and was off school for 2 weeks ill, would that mean a fine?

Sorry for so many questions. This is all new to me.

Is there anything else I should know?

As above, they would never authorise a holiday unless it was exceptional circumstances. However, you would only be fined for the 2 week holiday. If he was then off for 2 weeks with illness it would be authorised, providing you could provide a doctor's note to prove it (as a 2 week absence for illness for be extremely rare).

LittleHangleton · 27/12/2024 09:41

JustLaura · 27/12/2024 00:54

Thanks @LittleHangleton

This holiday has been booked for 2 years as it's partially to attend a wedding abroad too.

The holiday is for 2 weeks.

It all seems a bit harsh especially as technically he could just start school in the September and no-one would know we'd been away in May?

I just want him to settle into a routine for half days initially.

I'm a bit confused/baffled by all the attendance rules.

So say he was already 5, and I asked the school to authorise a 2 week holiday - if they authorise it, do I still get a fine? In general, are requests not authorised?

If we then returned from holiday and say he caught flu and was off school for 2 weeks ill, would that mean a fine?

Sorry for so many questions. This is all new to me.

Is there anything else I should know?

While he's under 5, he can't be fined anyway so don't worry. But fir the benefit of the future, soyou understand the rules:

The fines are per parent, per child. A "parent" in educational law doesn't just include birth patents. It could also include step parents and anyone else who has a caring responsibility to the child. It wouldn't be unusual to issue four fines for one child - say mum, stepdad, dad, stepmum. Or if grandparent is resident and takes a parental type caring role, maybe alongside a patent, they could get a fine as a "parent".

A change by the DfE in August 2024 bought a national change in the issuing of non attendance fines. All local authorities now follow the same guidelines - it is 10 sessions (which is 5 days) of unauthorised absence in 10 weeks.

● The first fine is £160 if paid within 28 days, £80 if paid within 21 days.
● The second fine in 3 years is £160 if paid within 28 days, no option to halve.
● With both these, if not paid by 28 days it goes to court and a jusge decides the amount to be paid. It is up to £1000, but each case is looked at individually.
● Third and subsequent fines in 3 years go directly to prosecution to be heard by a magistrate. Fines are issued on a case by case basis up to £2500.
● If the magistrate fine isn't paid and/or the child gets more magistrate fines, there is a reasonable chance the outcome could be a custodial sentence for the parent.

Attached poster explains the basics well.

So say he was already 5, and I asked the school to authorise a 2 week holiday - if they authorise it, do I still get a fine? In general, are requests not authorised?

Parents can ask for consideration for it to be authorised, with reasons. Schools are told not to authorise holidays, in general, so the request will be scrutinised. If authorised, you can't be fined for it.

it's partially to attend a wedding abroad too

Just saying it's for a wedding would not get it authorised at my school. I'd look at the context, and proof (I'd want proof of the wedding date). If I can see the parents have made an effort to prioritise school within the context of a close family wedding - say its grandparent's wedding, child is bridesmaid, travelling Friday, wedding Saturday, back at school Monday - I'd be inclined to authorise the Friday. I may even additionally authorise Monday if I see late Sunday flights and and the parents say they'll try to get DC into school Monday but aren't sure how tired they'll be.

But if its second cousin, or Aunty who lives in East Aisa and they don't really know or see her much (I will ask the child about the trip), then I wouldn't authorise any. A 2 week holiday with a wedding while there isn't likely to get 2 weeks authorised from me. Depending on the person getting married and relevance of a child there, I may authorise 1 day of the holiday, the rest unauthorised.

Speaking personally, not professionally, if this is a one-off holiday, just plan for £80 per parent fine within your budget and don't sweat it, just go. Make sure you don't make a habit of it though, so no further term time holidays, definitely not within 3 years.

If we then returned from holiday and say he caught flu and was off school for 2 weeks ill, would that mean a fine?

This is done on a case by case basis. On a basic level no, illnesses are authorised so therefore will not be fined.

However, if a child's overall attendance drops to be very low, or if I look at the child's attendance last year and see its been historically low, schools can say they won't authorise any illness absences without medical evidence - this could be evidence of a GP appointment, evidence of a prescription or similar. So the 2 weeks ill could be unauthorised if the only reason the child is off is parents say-so. I should add that parent-authorised illness is acceptable generally, its only in a small proportion of cases when the decision is made to not allow this.

With non-holiday, persistent absences, so absences that are unauthorised because parent doesn't contact school, or does contact but school decide not to authorise the absence, the school will have to evidence how they support you to improve your child's attendance, before a fine can be issued.

In this case, expect phone calls home, texts, home visits and probably an invitation for an attendance meeting. You might be asked to enter into an attendance contract, where school, you and the child agree actions to improve attendance. You'd only be fined if this support is put in place and the child still has lots of time off.

Remember, the persistant absence fines (as opposed to holiday fines) aren't for child with otherwise good attendance who, say, get chicken pox, or break their arm, or have some other significant illness. It's for children who, for example, seem to have "been sick" one day every single week, plus maybe they have a week off for "flu like symptoms", followed by 3 days for "a temperature", followed by 4 days off for a holiday, then some "refusing to get out of bed" or similar. These are the families attendance leads are trying to change. If you generally do value school and understand the importance of going to school every day and not having time off at the drop of a hat, you'll be fine. You may occasionally get a call from the attendance team, or a home visit, or asked in for a meeting. But assuming you continue to show you do prioritise the importance of good attendance at school, then these shouldn't result in a fine.

Fines?
Roselilly36 · 27/12/2024 10:10

@JustLaura My two are grown up now but I think it is ridiculous to fine parents for taking their children on holiday. We used to take ours out for a holiday, but we made sure we just missed a couple of days either before or after school hols. We were never fined, but doing so made a big difference to the cost of our holiday. At the moment missing 5 school days triggers the fine. So just try fit within the rules. Don’t be upset if you receive a threatening letter and accept that school will be unable to authorise the absence.

JustLaura · 03/01/2025 19:37

LittleHangleton · 27/12/2024 09:41

While he's under 5, he can't be fined anyway so don't worry. But fir the benefit of the future, soyou understand the rules:

The fines are per parent, per child. A "parent" in educational law doesn't just include birth patents. It could also include step parents and anyone else who has a caring responsibility to the child. It wouldn't be unusual to issue four fines for one child - say mum, stepdad, dad, stepmum. Or if grandparent is resident and takes a parental type caring role, maybe alongside a patent, they could get a fine as a "parent".

A change by the DfE in August 2024 bought a national change in the issuing of non attendance fines. All local authorities now follow the same guidelines - it is 10 sessions (which is 5 days) of unauthorised absence in 10 weeks.

● The first fine is £160 if paid within 28 days, £80 if paid within 21 days.
● The second fine in 3 years is £160 if paid within 28 days, no option to halve.
● With both these, if not paid by 28 days it goes to court and a jusge decides the amount to be paid. It is up to £1000, but each case is looked at individually.
● Third and subsequent fines in 3 years go directly to prosecution to be heard by a magistrate. Fines are issued on a case by case basis up to £2500.
● If the magistrate fine isn't paid and/or the child gets more magistrate fines, there is a reasonable chance the outcome could be a custodial sentence for the parent.

Attached poster explains the basics well.

So say he was already 5, and I asked the school to authorise a 2 week holiday - if they authorise it, do I still get a fine? In general, are requests not authorised?

Parents can ask for consideration for it to be authorised, with reasons. Schools are told not to authorise holidays, in general, so the request will be scrutinised. If authorised, you can't be fined for it.

it's partially to attend a wedding abroad too

Just saying it's for a wedding would not get it authorised at my school. I'd look at the context, and proof (I'd want proof of the wedding date). If I can see the parents have made an effort to prioritise school within the context of a close family wedding - say its grandparent's wedding, child is bridesmaid, travelling Friday, wedding Saturday, back at school Monday - I'd be inclined to authorise the Friday. I may even additionally authorise Monday if I see late Sunday flights and and the parents say they'll try to get DC into school Monday but aren't sure how tired they'll be.

But if its second cousin, or Aunty who lives in East Aisa and they don't really know or see her much (I will ask the child about the trip), then I wouldn't authorise any. A 2 week holiday with a wedding while there isn't likely to get 2 weeks authorised from me. Depending on the person getting married and relevance of a child there, I may authorise 1 day of the holiday, the rest unauthorised.

Speaking personally, not professionally, if this is a one-off holiday, just plan for £80 per parent fine within your budget and don't sweat it, just go. Make sure you don't make a habit of it though, so no further term time holidays, definitely not within 3 years.

If we then returned from holiday and say he caught flu and was off school for 2 weeks ill, would that mean a fine?

This is done on a case by case basis. On a basic level no, illnesses are authorised so therefore will not be fined.

However, if a child's overall attendance drops to be very low, or if I look at the child's attendance last year and see its been historically low, schools can say they won't authorise any illness absences without medical evidence - this could be evidence of a GP appointment, evidence of a prescription or similar. So the 2 weeks ill could be unauthorised if the only reason the child is off is parents say-so. I should add that parent-authorised illness is acceptable generally, its only in a small proportion of cases when the decision is made to not allow this.

With non-holiday, persistent absences, so absences that are unauthorised because parent doesn't contact school, or does contact but school decide not to authorise the absence, the school will have to evidence how they support you to improve your child's attendance, before a fine can be issued.

In this case, expect phone calls home, texts, home visits and probably an invitation for an attendance meeting. You might be asked to enter into an attendance contract, where school, you and the child agree actions to improve attendance. You'd only be fined if this support is put in place and the child still has lots of time off.

Remember, the persistant absence fines (as opposed to holiday fines) aren't for child with otherwise good attendance who, say, get chicken pox, or break their arm, or have some other significant illness. It's for children who, for example, seem to have "been sick" one day every single week, plus maybe they have a week off for "flu like symptoms", followed by 3 days for "a temperature", followed by 4 days off for a holiday, then some "refusing to get out of bed" or similar. These are the families attendance leads are trying to change. If you generally do value school and understand the importance of going to school every day and not having time off at the drop of a hat, you'll be fine. You may occasionally get a call from the attendance team, or a home visit, or asked in for a meeting. But assuming you continue to show you do prioritise the importance of good attendance at school, then these shouldn't result in a fine.

Edited

Thank you so much for this @LittleHangleton

I've only recently read the post and there has been much discussion about it.

Would it be ok to ask you a couple of other questions about it? If so, I'll add them in separate posts so as to not confuse myself!

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JustLaura · 03/01/2025 19:40

@LittleHangleton

Can I pose this question?

If both Parents of a child (say age 6) has booked a 2 week holiday completely out of term time, is it a double fine as it's 2 weeks (20 sessions)?

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JustLaura · 03/01/2025 19:46

@LittleHangleton

With your professional knowledge but personally answering this, if both Parents of say a 6 year old want to book a 2 week holiday out of term time, is it better to:

Stagger the holiday so it includes a bank holiday? (So 18 sessions/9 days would be missed?
What would the fine be based on your system?
Would there be further repercussions as it's 9 days rather than 5 days?

Or

Better to arrange the holiday so it's either the last week of a term or start of a term?

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FleaDog · 03/01/2025 19:50

LittleHangleton · 27/12/2024 00:28

The school will probably follow process, which involves some formal letters, but the local authority cannot issue an Attendance fine relating to a child under 5.

You may face an issue if your child turns 5 in the 10 school weeks after your holiday though. The fine issued for 5 unauthorised days (10 half day sessions) in 10 school weeks. So if, say, he turns 5yo nine weeks after the holiday, then he'll be at compulsory school age and have had 5 days unauthorised absence in 10 school weeks.

Schools may also choose to be less lenient with authorising for illness with child with low attendance. They may say that absences for illness will only be authorised with medical evidence. So your holiday, and subsequent lowering of attendance data, can result in a higher liklihood of reaching 10 half day sessions of unauthorised absences, when not holidays.

(I'm an Attendance Lead at school)

The holidays at 4 years old won't be part of accumulated absence of 10 session / 5 days once the child turns 5.

While they are 4 all the new legislation isn't appliacable.

Also note all stages of the newl legislation / guidance are for schools to consider - schools are not obliged to implement each stages of the fines/ prosecution process - it is very much a guidance for schools consideration and council legal teams will want to seethere were no suitable alternative actions and barriers have been addressed.

JustLaura · 03/01/2025 19:50

@LittleHangleton

Is this common place to take children out during term time?

Are there any other options?
Can the child be given school work to do on holiday?

I know this is extreme but I read that someone had taken their child out of school to attend football matches and given the reason as an educational trip as they'd be learning about other countries. Is this acceptable?

Thank you again @LittleHangleton for all your help (whether you respond again or not).

Happy New Year.

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FleaDog · 03/01/2025 19:57

JustLaura - it is all down to each school's consuderation.
Council legal teams that deal with fines and prosecutions are overwhelmed and are emphasising tje need for schools to 'consider' each stage and whether it is suitable to implement them.

Schools are not obliged to provide learning for holidays- there is a new process for support if there will be long term illness (eg majotr surgery) via a referral from school if over 15 days absence will be likely

Basically, holidays are holidays, so try to minimse days, eg wrap around weekends rather than a full week.

Autumnalmists · 03/01/2025 22:24

JustLaura · 03/01/2025 19:50

@LittleHangleton

Is this common place to take children out during term time?

Are there any other options?
Can the child be given school work to do on holiday?

I know this is extreme but I read that someone had taken their child out of school to attend football matches and given the reason as an educational trip as they'd be learning about other countries. Is this acceptable?

Thank you again @LittleHangleton for all your help (whether you respond again or not).

Happy New Year.

Teachers are not to set work, or mark it if parents choose to go on holiday. That is extra work due to a family ( and lots in a class) choosing to go on holiday or save holiday costs.

No holiday can ever be classed as an educational trip and thus authorised. Competing for your country is a different matter!

LittleHangleton · 03/01/2025 23:00

JustLaura · 03/01/2025 19:40

@LittleHangleton

Can I pose this question?

If both Parents of a child (say age 6) has booked a 2 week holiday completely out of term time, is it a double fine as it's 2 weeks (20 sessions)?

Each parent would get one fine. The fine is for the single period of absence. You wouldn't get a double fine because it's two weeks. Certainly in my local authority anyway.

LittleHangleton · 03/01/2025 23:13

JustLaura · 03/01/2025 19:46

@LittleHangleton

With your professional knowledge but personally answering this, if both Parents of say a 6 year old want to book a 2 week holiday out of term time, is it better to:

Stagger the holiday so it includes a bank holiday? (So 18 sessions/9 days would be missed?
What would the fine be based on your system?
Would there be further repercussions as it's 9 days rather than 5 days?

Or

Better to arrange the holiday so it's either the last week of a term or start of a term?

The professional answer:

Missing the minimum possible learning time is best. But once you go over 5 days, none of the rest makes a difference to the fine.

The personal answer:

If you do not intend to do this every year (or even every other year), just budget for £80 per parent, the cost if you pay within 21 days, and don't worry. Literally noone will judge you for doing this as a one-off.

If you do intend to take the child out of school for a 5 school day holiday regularly, I would definitely make sure you have 1 year in 3 not taking a term time holiday. Its the 3rd in 3 (rolling calender) years that's the biggie. I'd seriously be judging your parenting at that. You'd be on a par with the shit parents who let their child have every Monday off (or similar).

But realistically, if you child has very good attendance (as in, less than 5 days all year) at other times, a holiday or 2 in every 3 year year period is not going to be the end of the world.

I would not say that professionally.

Another personal thing, I would avoid taking your children out in September - it's important from a social aspect that children settle into their new classes. Missing those first weeks means your child is playing friendship catch up with their peer group.

Primary tend to do the least amount of learning in the last week of summer term.

JustLaura · 03/01/2025 23:22

LittleHangleton · 03/01/2025 23:13

The professional answer:

Missing the minimum possible learning time is best. But once you go over 5 days, none of the rest makes a difference to the fine.

The personal answer:

If you do not intend to do this every year (or even every other year), just budget for £80 per parent, the cost if you pay within 21 days, and don't worry. Literally noone will judge you for doing this as a one-off.

If you do intend to take the child out of school for a 5 school day holiday regularly, I would definitely make sure you have 1 year in 3 not taking a term time holiday. Its the 3rd in 3 (rolling calender) years that's the biggie. I'd seriously be judging your parenting at that. You'd be on a par with the shit parents who let their child have every Monday off (or similar).

But realistically, if you child has very good attendance (as in, less than 5 days all year) at other times, a holiday or 2 in every 3 year year period is not going to be the end of the world.

I would not say that professionally.

Another personal thing, I would avoid taking your children out in September - it's important from a social aspect that children settle into their new classes. Missing those first weeks means your child is playing friendship catch up with their peer group.

Primary tend to do the least amount of learning in the last week of summer term.

Thanks @LittleHangleton

Definitely not planning on it being a regular thing. More of a 1-off for a once in a lifetime holiday.

I wouldn't book anything for September either as I know how important this time is. I regularly changed schools growing up due to my Father's career.

I feel like I'm on a catch up on all of this!

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LittleHangleton · 03/01/2025 23:30

JustLaura · 03/01/2025 19:50

@LittleHangleton

Is this common place to take children out during term time?

Are there any other options?
Can the child be given school work to do on holiday?

I know this is extreme but I read that someone had taken their child out of school to attend football matches and given the reason as an educational trip as they'd be learning about other countries. Is this acceptable?

Thank you again @LittleHangleton for all your help (whether you respond again or not).

Happy New Year.

Is this common place to take children out during term time?

I work in a secondary school. No, it's not generally common. Parents do generally understand why it's important for their children to be in school.

I would guess (although I don't know) this level of prioritising attendance is less at primary school.

Can the child be given school work to do on holiday?

This would not happen. It would show a school encouraging and condoning term time holidays.

I read that someone had taken their child out of school to attend football matches and given the reason as an educational trip as they'd be learning about other countries

This is headteachers discretion. You may have a lenient Headteacher. You're much more likely to get that leniency if your child has historic high attendance and you make a case for a one-off special event. You'd quickly reach the limit of leniency if you take the piss, or your child is always off sick.

Most parents try this on tho. Pretty much every holiday request I get will tell me why its vital. I don't automatically authorise because some special reason is given. The majority will be declined. The reason you give is also stored - if you gave me a crock of shit reason last year, then try again the following year I'm not likely to accept it if I'm on the fense. However, if I can see a history of exceptional attendance and no past trying it on, then I'm more likely to authorise.

JustLaura · 13/01/2025 17:16

Me again @LittleHangleton !

What happens if 2 weeks + 1 day is requested? So 22 sessions?

1 fine or other?

Thanks for all you help

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Autumnalmists · 13/01/2025 19:02

A child can be taken off a school roll if absent for 20 days. So can lose your space.

LittleHangleton · 13/01/2025 20:25

JustLaura · 13/01/2025 17:16

Me again @LittleHangleton !

What happens if 2 weeks + 1 day is requested? So 22 sessions?

1 fine or other?

Thanks for all you help

Certainly in my local authority, one holiday period would only result in 1 fine per person. So 11 days off school would still be 1 fine per parent oer child.

Theoretically the fine could be issused for each 10 sessions. But the council legal team would balance if there would be a benefit in doing this, would 2 fines result in bigger attendance improvements than 1 fine would? I doubt it would make a notable difference. Depends on the local authority tho.

FleaDog · 16/01/2025 19:33

Autumnalmists · 13/01/2025 19:02

A child can be taken off a school roll if absent for 20 days. So can lose your space.

Not any longer. The changes from August 2024 mean after 20 days schools can refer to.the local authoriy to report the child missing. The LA can then try to track the child down and in turn at a later point advise the school if they can then take the child off roll (but that can't be back dated so while child is a CME and the LA investigate it clocks up unauthorised absences that affect the school's overall attendance) or they may locate the child and direct the school to address barriers etc...

LAs like everywhere are overstretched and if work can be bounced back to schools it will, if a child is takennoff roll and becomes a CME it is more work for them.

Possibly it is alsomto prevent 'off-rolling' and manipulation of stats.

Also EHE is becoming a bigger issue as t is not effectively monitored by a lot of LAs and i suspect they dont want schools dropping pupils who will then slide under the radar.

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