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Can someone tell me what the 'law' is on a class size of 31?

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Fridayfeeling · 30/04/2008 14:42

DS's class is now 31 - I did not think that was 'legal' but I have a feeling I might be scare mongering !

Anyone know?

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LadySanders · 30/04/2008 14:43

i believe reception classes are absolutely limited to 30 but not for year 1+

MorocconOil · 30/04/2008 14:45

I think it could be 35.

ChasingSquirrels · 30/04/2008 14:45

KS1 shouldn't be more than 30 kids.
BUT lots are, not sure what you can actually DO about it.
They should have extra support though.

Spidermama · 30/04/2008 14:46

There are 34 in my ds's class. I wish there were a limit of 25 never mind 30. It's ridiculous.

Fllight · 30/04/2008 14:48

Ours was 31 and even with support it was clearly too much. Never any feedback or chance to talk to teaching staff, instructions/requests ignored, mixed up etc, I mean they did their best but it was awful really!
Apparently ofsted have now told them to make 3 classes, about time too but too late for ds.
Very good school btw.

ChasingSquirrels · 30/04/2008 14:49

Key Stage 1 Class Size Funding
What is it meant to fund?
Class size funding is supposed to fund sufficient teachers to ensure that all pupils at key stage 1 (including reception) can be taught in classes of 30 or fewer pupils.

The mechanism of class size funding changed from April 2006 to make it more compatible with the single January count and the Minimum Funding Guarantee calculation. Instead of funding classes, with reduced Age Weighted Pupil Units (AWPUs) for pupils, funding is now calculated using vacant places and full AWPUs. The cost of a vacant place is 1/30 of the cost of an average teacher on M6 plus PPA allowance. The number of classes that a school requires at KS1 are based on the pupil numbers from September 2006 or January 2007 (whichever is higher) for the summer term 2007 and estimated numbers for September 2007 for the autumn 2007 and spring 2008 terms. A school may therefore may have two different numbers of classes between one academic year and the next.
The number of vacant places is equal to the number of classes times 30 less the number of fte pupils funded in January 2007, with a minimum of zero vacant places.

The number of classes calculated is based on the following rules:

The number of classes funded is calculated termly, using full time equivalent pupil numbers (but with part time pupils counted as 2/3). A pupil which the LEA expects to attend part time is treated as part time, irrespective of actual pattern of attendance. Spring and summer born four year olds are considered to be part time in the autumn term.
Vertical grouping will normally be assumed where this means that fewer classes are required, except where a school has a PAN of 30, or a multiple of 30, and is between one and two classes undersubscribed and has not been at least one class undersubscribed for the two previous years.
A school will not be treated as having a PAN of 30 (or multiple thereof) in academic year 2006/07 unless its PAN satisfied this condition in September 2004, September 2005 and September 2006
If a school exceeds PAN though its own choice or default, then the LEA will not fund any additional teachers required as a result (although it will provide key stage weighted funding for the additional pupils).
The LEA will normally fund additional teachers required as a result of statemented pupils being placed over and above PAN, or other additional pupils being placed by the LEA, where failure to fund additional teachers would otherwise require a change in class organisation except in the year of admission, where these pupils are eligible exceptions to the 30 per class requirement. However, these additional teachers will not normally be funded in advance.
The numbers of classes required will be recalculated termly in September , January and Summer term, although the number of classes will not be adjusted downwards unless there is a strong case that the school ought to have known that its estimates were clearly unreasonable.
Pupils in special units are assumed to be integrated with mainstream classes, irrespective of the arrangements actually adopted within the school except where the special unit pupils are over and above the PAN.
Key stage 2 pupils in first schools are included within the calculation.

Special transitional arrangements apply for the third year in 2007/08 whereby schools? key stage 1 funding was calculated on the basis of both original and new methods. Where schools? total key stage 1 funding (including key stage weighted funding, class size funding and small school subsidy) increased by more than 4% in real terms, the increase was restricted to 4%. Where they would have lost more than 1.8%, the loss was limited to 1.8%.

Source of data
For the summer term, classes are based on the higher of the estimated September 2006/ January 2007 pupil numbers, provided in September 2005 and the actual September 2006/ January 2007 pupil numbers.
For the autumn and spring terms, classes are based on the estimated September 2007 pupil numbers. Additional classes will be allocated if they are required based on actual September 2007/ January 2008 numbers.

How much money is allocated?
£1,281.80 per vacant place in 2007/08

Does it change during the year?
Yes, if additional classes are required in order to comply with legislation then these will be funded. This will normally apply only to undersubscribed schools as most of the circumstances in which additional pupils can be admitted to full schools are exceptions to the class size regulations in the year in which they occur.
The allocation will not be reduced in the year if fewer classes are required, unless the LEA has reason to believe later that the school?s original estimate was completely unreasonable.

Other common questions

Why do you make a reduction for part time pupils? I can?t employ teachers for part of the year only.
Surrey has always funded four year olds on a part time basis for the terms prior to their fifth birthday. The change in key stage 1 funding does not affect this situation. However, from 2005/06, summer born four year olds are funded full time in the spring term.

Why are some schools exempted from the requirement to vertically group?
From 2006/07, schools with PANs of multiples of 30 will not be exempt from vertically grouping if they have previously been under subscribed by more than 30 pupils for the last two years.

Why has the method changed again?
In order to make key stage one class funding compatible with the single January count and Minimum Funding Guarantee calculations.

Why are pupils in special units treated as integrated?
We are aware that the extent of integration varies between units but believe that most schools integrate their 'unit' pupils and the funding has to be consistent across schools.

Why are part time pupils weighted 2/3?
Historically part time pupils have been counted as 1/2 but the key stage weighting for such pupils has been 1.496 whereas for full time pupils it was 1.133. The overall result was that part time four year olds received 2/3 of the funding of full time four year olds

Fridayfeeling · 30/04/2008 14:52

Thanks guys.
I agree that over 30 really is a bit too much - but then what to actually DO about it is pretty daunting.
We have had the same reading books for over 3 weeks, the ones we actually did get he had had before, etc etc. These sorts of things I guess are proof that the class size is too much.
The assistant is in the afternoon only too, and the teacher is part-time. Doesn't look good really.

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Fridayfeeling · 30/04/2008 14:54

Squirrels - wow - that is a lot of information. most of which makes zero sense.

It seems the school have an issue - they have 61 pupils in the year - should they have 3 classes then for summer term?

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ChasingSquirrels · 30/04/2008 14:56

[[http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1998/19981973.htm relevant statutory instrument] (i think)

mrz · 30/04/2008 19:49

Infant class size is set at 30children to 1 teacher BUT there are a number of "get out clauses" including children starting outside normal admission dates.

AbbeyA · 30/04/2008 22:19

My DS had 36 in his junior school class.

Clary · 03/05/2008 21:00

30 is the upper limit for infants (ie up to yr 2)

No limit beyond that.

There is a highly regarded primary in this area that takes 35 pupils in each year - in one class (this is OK for junior yrs) - so 5 are taken out for literacy and numeracy hour - this makes it OK apparently

DS2 thanks to low intake in his year is in class of 22. Fab tastic! (tho not for school of course)

mrz · 04/05/2008 11:06

The Education (Infant Class Sizes (England)) Regulations 1998 provide that, subject to certain limited exceptions, infant classes may not contain more than 30 pupils with a single qualified teacher.
The class size legislation makes allowance for the entry of an additional child in certain circumstances where not to admit the child would be prejudicial to his or her interests. These children are known as "excepted pupils". These circumstances include:

  • where a child moves into the area outside the normal admission round and there is no other school which would provide suitable education within a reasonable distance of his or her home;
  • where a child receives a statement of special educational needs naming the school or a pupil with a statement naming that school moves into the area, in each case outside the normal admission round;
  • where a pupil is initially refused admission to a school but is subsequently offered a place there for one of two reasons: the person making the original decision recognises that an error was made in implementing the school's admission arrangements; or an admissions appeal panel upholds an appeal;
  • in addition, to preserve the important benefits for children with special educational needs which may be derived from attending mainstream classes, a child normally educated in a special educational needs unit attached to a mainstream school or in a special school will be treated as an excepted pupil for any time when he or she is in an infant class in the mainstream school.

In the first three of these cases, the class may only be above 30 for the remainder of that school year.

wheresthehamster · 04/05/2008 11:19

What happens after that year then mrz? If no child has left in the meantime to take the number down to 30

mrz · 04/05/2008 12:17

Schools should in theory employ another teacher or what is more common have mixed aged classes.

FluffyMummy123 · 04/05/2008 12:19

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mrz · 04/05/2008 12:58

iCod perhaps you haven't read Peter Blatchford (2003) The Class Size Debate: Is Small Better?

"# There is a clear effect of class size differences on children?s academic attainment over the reception year (age 4/5), and there is a clear case for small class sizes during the first year of school for both literacy and maths.

Small classes (below 25) work best in literacy for children who are most in need academically, that is, those with the lowest school entry scores who have most ground to make up. These findings suggest where targeting of resources (in this case small classes) might be best directed.

There is what might be called a ?disruption? effect when moving into a different sized class from reception to Year 1. This effect was magnified when children moved into a bigger class. The implication seems to be that in addition to smaller classes in the reception year it is advisable to maintain stability into future years. "

www.classsizeresearch.org.uk/results1.html

It could explain why both Scotland and Wales have reduced class sizes considerably.

onebatmother · 04/05/2008 13:04

I've recently done an admissions appeal for a year 1 kid and I understood from that that if the roll goes over 30 they will have to provide another teacher. Or shift one child over to another class each day

wheresthehamster · 04/05/2008 13:11

4 tables/groups of 6 would be SO manageable

mrz · 04/05/2008 15:34

wheresthehamster Wales is going to have a ratio of 1-8 in reception and 1-15 in Y1/2 bliss?

onebatmother · 04/05/2008 18:11

Blimey mrz when is that happening?

mrz · 04/05/2008 20:07

The Foundation Phase is a new approach to learning for children from 3-7 years of age. It will combine what is currently known as the Early Years and Key Stage 1 of the National Curriculum.
new.wales.gov.uk/topics/educationandskills/policy_strategy_and_planning/early-wales/foundation_phase /foundationphasetimetable/?lang=en

onebatmother · 05/05/2008 20:18

That;s interesting - what a good idea to combine early years and key stage 1. What happens after that, re: class sizes, do you know?

MaloryTowersTraditionalist · 05/05/2008 20:20

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