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North London - non selective schools

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mumv1 · 15/09/2024 20:10

Hi wise mammas and pappas

We are not in the country so finding the 4+ schools process a little distant but we are doing all we can to try and give it our collective best despite the circumstances.

in addition to doing the hot schools, I am also keen to have some back ups and I wondered which ones you would recommend ? Our daughter is able but I just don’t know how the day would play out during assessments. So looking for non-selective schools with some academic rigour (although I realise as type this that this might not be the non-selective model) in the area.

grateful for any thoughts…

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poranae · 15/09/2024 23:47

Village Prep
North Bridge
Sarum Hall
Cavendish
Devonshire House

Jackal313 · 16/09/2024 08:49

Where in north London will you be living?

pinkfleece · 16/09/2024 11:09

St. Margaret's in Hampstead.

NLseneca · 16/09/2024 11:47

Add Heathside, King Alfred and St Christopher's. Sarum Hall is more selective than the rest I understand

pinkfleece · 16/09/2024 12:57

yeah but King Alfred's - do you actually want them to learn anything?!

4pluscraziness1 · 16/09/2024 22:27

St Christopher’s is definitely selective

NLseneca · 17/09/2024 17:25

4pluscraziness1 · 16/09/2024 22:27

St Christopher’s is definitely selective

I don;t know a single person who didn't get a place. ever. Including those who had 0 other offers, so I would not call it selective. more like, semi-selective.

4pluscraziness1 · 17/09/2024 17:47

I do know people who didn’t get a place. It is a selective school.

SomeonesMum123 · 17/09/2024 21:53

NLseneca · 17/09/2024 17:25

I don;t know a single person who didn't get a place. ever. Including those who had 0 other offers, so I would not call it selective. more like, semi-selective.

I know multiple girls who are now at Habs/nlcs/shhs who were turned down by st C

Tiredmumofthreekids · 18/09/2024 10:22

St Christopher used to be an academically selective school and they still sell themselves as the one but given the falling student numbers in the area, they are not as selective anymore. Occasionally they might have sibling-heavy years but generally yes it is much easier to get the place there now.

Tiredmumofthreekids · 18/09/2024 10:26

4pluscraziness1 · 17/09/2024 17:47

I do know people who didn’t get a place. It is a selective school.

most likely to be a thing of the past or an occasional one-off case when a child throws a tantrum during one assessment and performs perfectly well at the other one (which is just a nature of 3-4 years olds!)

JessyCarr · 18/09/2024 16:30

St Christopher’s has struggled to hold onto its head teachers for a few years now, which no doubt has had an impact on local parents’ confidence in it.

SomeonesMum123 · 18/09/2024 16:38

St Christopher’s next school results over the last few years have been much better than previously

4pluscraziness1 · 18/09/2024 16:52

Can we go back to the original question - OP is looking for a non-selective school. St C isn’t one of these options.

NLseneca · 19/09/2024 15:21

4pluscraziness1 · 18/09/2024 16:52

Can we go back to the original question - OP is looking for a non-selective school. St C isn’t one of these options.

it is mostly non-selective these days though, and a great backup school.

SomeonesMum123 · 19/09/2024 18:49

This is madness. It is a selective school. It receives around 100 applications every year. It offers about 60 for 40 spots. It is not the same as a non selective school such as hampstead hill, mulberry house, north bridge house etc. It is also more selective than some of the other gently selective schools such as St Margaret’s, St Mary’s or Ivy house. It doesn’t help when people say ludicrous things like “it’s not selective” and then people apply and are turned down. It is absolutely misleading.

4pluscraziness1 · 19/09/2024 22:26

Amen!

ProudDadOfTwo · 20/09/2024 08:32

SomeonesMum123 · 19/09/2024 18:49

This is madness. It is a selective school. It receives around 100 applications every year. It offers about 60 for 40 spots. It is not the same as a non selective school such as hampstead hill, mulberry house, north bridge house etc. It is also more selective than some of the other gently selective schools such as St Margaret’s, St Mary’s or Ivy house. It doesn’t help when people say ludicrous things like “it’s not selective” and then people apply and are turned down. It is absolutely misleading.

It used to get over 300 applications every year. And about half the places went to siblings so there were something like 15 applications for each non-sibling place. If your numbers are correct, it's not as selective as it used to be.

mumv1 · 20/09/2024 22:32

Thank you so very much for all of your input ! (And debate). Super helpful.

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NWLM · 18/10/2024 13:26

For what it’s worth, we have absolutely loved St. Mary’s Hampstead. It is well known for its nurturing environment, athletic program, and facilities (eg STEAM center, outdoor grounds). It also has great 11+ results and placements considering it is is non-selective, i.e., the school is not selecting/students and families that they know are most likely to not only do well on the 11+ but to actually target the most academic secondary schools. So there’s some suggestion that the “treatment effect” of St. Mary’s is strong. That said, it’s also important to note that families for whom strong 11+ placement is a priority end up getting tutors no matter where their children go to school—even the most academic students at a school like The Hall, for example, will get 11+ tutoring.

What we’ve loved most is how the teaching staff makes the effort to understand each child’s gifts and challenges—from academics to interpersonal to extracurriculars—and finds individualized ways to help her to both nurture those gifts and tackle those areas that are more challenging. The teachers clearly delight in watching each girl take on and meet a new challenge, which is lovely to see as a parent. We really have seen a commitment to the school’s “4 R’s”—Respect, Risk-taking, Reflection, and Resilience. They also sensitively find ways to make sure each child is being pushed while maintaining cohesion and unity in the classroom. For example, the girls progress in their reading at a pace that works for each individually without any sort of rigid “tracking.” As a parent with a career in education spanning different countries, St. Mary’s was the clear top choice for us.

Of course, if you do not want your child in any sort of religious environment for school, then it is not the right school for your family. It is a Catholic school, and, understandably, that is a non-starter for some. But it’s worth noting that only about 50% of the girls are from Catholic families, the religious messaging is focused on love and understanding (we specifically did not want our daughter in a rigid environment or one that would instill “Catholic guilt”), and they do a good job of introducing other religions and cultures, including having day-long workshops throughout the year in which members of other religions come to share their traditions with the girls. They also give girls of different religious backgrounds the opportunity to share their traditions with their classes (if the girls want to).

The schools in NW London are generally excellent, and you can find someone singing the praises of each of them here on mumsnet. I’m sure most children would thrive at most of them. Each school also has its challenges—eg, I know some wish the music programme was a bit more robust at St. Mary’s. So I really share all this just in the spirit of providing some additional information, as I know I scoured these boards for insight when we were looking at schools. Overall, we’ve found St. Mary’s to be an incredible community with wonderful teachers and have delighted in watching our sensitive child find her voice and thrive there. To end on the shallowest of notes, the uniforms are adorable :)

LeoOliver · 19/10/2024 08:31

NWLM - Does St Mary offer lots of extra curricular? Do you pay extra or is it included?

NWLM · 19/12/2024 11:21

@LeoOliver To us they seem to offer a ton but I haven’t closely compared to other schools. Those provided “in-house” eg, by St. Mary’s teachers and staff, are included (no additional cost). Examples of in-house extracurriculars are choir/singing, art, all sports (football, netball, gymnastics, cricket I think are most serious programs, but have opportunities for tennis, golf, dodgeball, swimming, etc), marketing, languages other than French (eg, Italian, Spanish, German), and various offerings based on teacher interests, like a Greek Mythology club. Those provided by outside third parties (eg, ballet, coding, chess, film, fencing) come at an additional cost. Music lessons with a peripatetic teacher also come at an additional cost.

I should also share that school drop off is as early as 8am, and the girls older than reception get to play in the garden til school starts. And their in-house after school club runs until 6pm, available to all years. Both the before school play and particularly the after school club have become a huge part of life at St. Mary’s. The girls love after school club—especially when the days are longer and warmer so the girls can play outside. It becomes a great opportunity to not only get more playtime with classmates but to build friendships across years and to get to know teachers and staff throughout the school. It quickly helps girls feel like they really are a member of the broader community. Finally, in the earlier years, the girls are required to take a break from playing and read a book one-on-one with an adult. So when my daughter was in reception, once or twice a week she was getting 1-on-1 reading practice with the reading specialist for Years 1 and 2 during after school club. After School Club has been £20/session. They also offer in-house Holiday Club during term breaks from 8am-4pm (extra fee to stay til 6pm), which the girls love as well.

LeoOliver · 19/12/2024 14:27

Thank you very much for your helpful response.

familyguy83 · 07/02/2025 13:37

SomeonesMum123 · 19/09/2024 18:49

This is madness. It is a selective school. It receives around 100 applications every year. It offers about 60 for 40 spots. It is not the same as a non selective school such as hampstead hill, mulberry house, north bridge house etc. It is also more selective than some of the other gently selective schools such as St Margaret’s, St Mary’s or Ivy house. It doesn’t help when people say ludicrous things like “it’s not selective” and then people apply and are turned down. It is absolutely misleading.

Does one need to do a "gentle " assessment to enter the Ivy school nursery at 2y/o? Do they prep for 4+?

MarthaHubbard · 07/02/2025 23:01

mumv1 · 15/09/2024 20:10

Hi wise mammas and pappas

We are not in the country so finding the 4+ schools process a little distant but we are doing all we can to try and give it our collective best despite the circumstances.

in addition to doing the hot schools, I am also keen to have some back ups and I wondered which ones you would recommend ? Our daughter is able but I just don’t know how the day would play out during assessments. So looking for non-selective schools with some academic rigour (although I realise as type this that this might not be the non-selective model) in the area.

grateful for any thoughts…

We recently went to the open day at Ivy House (Next to Golders Hill park) - we were extremely impressed and really loved what they had to offer. It is non-selective but have really good outcomes for 11+ and high standards throughout. Happy to answer any questions you may have as I realise you aren’t in the country!