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Moving out of catchment

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Applesandbananaz · 11/08/2024 19:07

Our eldest attends our local catchment school which is a oversubscribed school, and we will be applying this year for our youngest to attend in September 2025.

When we make the application we will be living in catchment, and our child is likely to be given a place, but by September 2025 we are hoping to have moved to a village that just falls out of being in the catchment area.

Where do we stand with our child's place? Are we allowed to accept the place if we have moved out of catchment? Any advice welcome

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ReclaimedHouse · 11/08/2024 19:13

If a child is in catchment at the point of offer then they have a place

PatriciaHolm · 11/08/2024 19:13

Once a place is allocated, it cannot legally be removed unless in very limited circumstances- of the place was obtained by fraud, an intentionally misleading application (eg you knew you were imminently about to move within the application timeframe when you applied) or a mistake by the admissions authority.

Assuming you apply from the child's permanent residence and do not move before the date allowed for changes, the place cannot be removed.

I am aware that some authorities try to add requirements that you cannot move before taking up the place - I would expect any place removed this way to be given back at appeal.

PatriciaHolm · 11/08/2024 19:15

Plus - is there any requirement in the admissions criteria for a sibling to be in catchment anyway? If they get a place as a sibling their address may well be irrelevant.

Rosecoffeecup · 11/08/2024 19:16

Is there a difference in how in-catchment and out of catchment siblings are treated in the admissions criteria?

Applesandbananaz · 11/08/2024 19:17

Yes @PatriciaHolm siblings in catchment get priority over catchment. Sometimes those in catchment don't get a place as it's a popular school.

Do we need to still live in our current address in April when offers come out? Or can we move after January when the application is complete?

Many thanks for your advice

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Applesandbananaz · 11/08/2024 19:19

Rosecoffeecup · 11/08/2024 19:16

Is there a difference in how in-catchment and out of catchment siblings are treated in the admissions criteria?

Yes in catchment siblings are given priority over catchment children. Then siblings out of catchment are 4th on the list. (Children in care are top of the list)

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Panicmode1 · 11/08/2024 19:19

A friend of mine had her place removed in identical circumstances....check exactly what the admissions code says. In her case, the eldest was in Y6 when they applied for a place in reception (and they were in catchment with a sibling priority when they applied) but they moved in the summer hols and the place was removed because the way the admissions code was written, they were not entitled to the place on the first day of school if they moved before the start of term..

BoleynMemories13 · 11/08/2024 19:29

Of course you can still accept the place. An offer of a place is an concrete, it won't be taken away unless foul play is proven )ie using a false address such as that of a relative). As long as you lived there when you applied that's all that matters in terms of the application. He has a sibling at the school already so you can easily prove that was your address at the time of application and had been for quite some time.

People move and schools understand that. Admissions are not going to withdraw an offer just because you've since moved, that's not how it works.

Your only concern will be if you have any even younger children who you will be applying for in the future from the new address. If not, push it to the back of your mind as it will not be a problem at all in terms of your application and his allocation.

BoleynMemories13 · 11/08/2024 19:33

Panicmode1 · 11/08/2024 19:19

A friend of mine had her place removed in identical circumstances....check exactly what the admissions code says. In her case, the eldest was in Y6 when they applied for a place in reception (and they were in catchment with a sibling priority when they applied) but they moved in the summer hols and the place was removed because the way the admissions code was written, they were not entitled to the place on the first day of school if they moved before the start of term..

Sibling priority doesn't count if the only sibling in the school is a child who is in year 6 who will have left by the time the younger child starts. That's why the offer will have been withdrawn, because the parent incorrectly stated sibling link which would have unfairly and inaccurately prioritised her younger child ahead of others in the catchment at the time of application. It won't be because they moved.

Panicmode1 · 11/08/2024 19:43

She was still in catchment and others further away got in 🤷 She appealed but no dice.

Fringeundecided · 11/08/2024 19:52

I moved between applying and getting notification of place. Despite me contacting local authority and checking in advance - they told me it was the address at closing application date that mattered - this turned out to be untrue!
Luckily I had moved within catchment so just had to prove that to them. If I had moved out of catchment, I would have lost the place.

Applesandbananaz · 11/08/2024 20:28

Panicmode1 · 11/08/2024 19:19

A friend of mine had her place removed in identical circumstances....check exactly what the admissions code says. In her case, the eldest was in Y6 when they applied for a place in reception (and they were in catchment with a sibling priority when they applied) but they moved in the summer hols and the place was removed because the way the admissions code was written, they were not entitled to the place on the first day of school if they moved before the start of term..

Thank you for this. I've just read the admissions code and it clearly states that our child would need to be living in catchment when they start school for the application to be valid. So if we were to move beforehand we would forfeit the place

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Panicmode1 · 11/08/2024 20:32

Glad to have highlighted how careful you have to be...she was a teacher too, so I was surprised she fell foul of the rules; I thought she would have realised.

CastleTower · 12/08/2024 01:37

It would be illegal to take a place away for moving after the application date. Even if they've written it in the rules, it's not enforceable. They can't expect you to apply with an address you don't live at yet, because you might not even know what it is yet!

I don't really understand Panic mode's story - how could moving in catchment affect a place? If her second address was still in catchment, then they weren't accepting either her first or second address as valid? Seems weird. (Not saying Panic is wrong in their info, but just might be a weird case.)

Basically - you should be fine to move between applications any starting. Places can only be taken away for fraud. But some Local Authorities do write dodgy rules, and you might decide that it's more stress than it's worth and just put off moving, which is fair.

Panicmode1 · 12/08/2024 06:21

Sorry, reading back it doesn't make sense.

They were in catchment with a sibling when they applied and all the way through the school year prior to starting in Sept. They moved over the summer, slightly further away, and lost the place because they had to be at the application address on day 1 of the new term.

(It was a long time ago now, but that is how it panned out. I don't know about how legal etc it was/is and all of the ins and outs of the discussions they had with the school etc - but they had to find a different school at the last minute).

BoleynMemories13 · 12/08/2024 08:44

Panicmode1 · 12/08/2024 06:21

Sorry, reading back it doesn't make sense.

They were in catchment with a sibling when they applied and all the way through the school year prior to starting in Sept. They moved over the summer, slightly further away, and lost the place because they had to be at the application address on day 1 of the new term.

(It was a long time ago now, but that is how it panned out. I don't know about how legal etc it was/is and all of the ins and outs of the discussions they had with the school etc - but they had to find a different school at the last minute).

That sounds utterly ridiculous. People can't always know what house they will be living in in September the following year. Applications close in January but are open from the autumn term. That's asking people to know nearly a year in advance what their circumstances will be. Even if the application is made in the January, that's still 8 months before they're due to start school.

Obviously if someone was to move far away after the application, they would need to turn down the place and arrange a late application elsewhere. If they've moved to a new home within the area and can still get to the school, they absolutely shouldn't be punished for this. As long as it's not a fraudulent application, ie they can prove they actually did live at that address at the time of applying, they shouldn't be punished for this. Even if someone knows they are likely to move, people have no way of predicting when the actual move will go through and therefore can only apply for their current circumstances at the time, not what they think their circumstances might be 8 months down the line.

I have never heard of an area where admissions use such a bizarre policy. I work in an area of high movement. Families in social housing are rehomed frequently for various reasons. Yes the spaces may be allocated to children who end up living a few streets further out than others who missed out at an oversubscribed school, but as long as they were closer to the school than the other families when they made the application they've done nothing wrong. You can't punish a family for their individual circumstances beyond their control.

Look at the situation in reverse. They wouldn't take away a space from a child who has been allocated one, and still lives at the same address, just because another family have since moved into the area and live a bit closer to the school than them. So why would they take a space away from a child who has been given one, based on original address, but has now moved a few streets further out from another child who just missed out at the time of application? It doesn't make sense. Kids would be having their school places swapped all the time.

Are you sure this child was definitely rejected because they changed address? As they were still in catchment, it sounds to me more like they were rejected for not actually having a sibling at the school after all. If they were given sibling preference ahead of other children who lived closer but missed out because they didn't have a sibling already at the school, and were then found out to be lying (as the older child no longer attended the school by the time the younger one was due to start), that would be considered a fraudulent application. They benefitted from the sibling preference rule, when they shouldn't have done. It really sounds like that's more likely why the place was withdrawn, as kids missed out who shouldn't have done. If the application was completed correctly, to show they would have no sibling at the school at the time of starting, they wouldn't have been offered it in the first place based on the original address at the time. Could be that the person was trying to save face by telling others the place was withdrawn because they moved, rather than admit they balls up the application form.

Panicmode1 · 12/08/2024 09:02

@BoleynMemories13 It was a LONG time ago (ie we were on the waiting list for a Y1 place for DS1 who is now 20!) but that is what she told me had happened. They were in catchment and would have had a place (even without the sibling) but moved over the summer and it was removed. I hadn't got a place for reception because I filled in the form 2 days after completeing on a house purchase, which was 1 day before the application deadline and I was heavily pregnant...I didn't tick one box correctly, so we didn't get in and as I'd also fallen foul of the rules we bonded....!

It all worked out in the end, and the admissions code has been rewritten, but it made me triple check all small print for every subsequent school application I did (we have four children).

BoleynMemories13 · 12/08/2024 10:19

Panicmode1 · 12/08/2024 09:02

@BoleynMemories13 It was a LONG time ago (ie we were on the waiting list for a Y1 place for DS1 who is now 20!) but that is what she told me had happened. They were in catchment and would have had a place (even without the sibling) but moved over the summer and it was removed. I hadn't got a place for reception because I filled in the form 2 days after completeing on a house purchase, which was 1 day before the application deadline and I was heavily pregnant...I didn't tick one box correctly, so we didn't get in and as I'd also fallen foul of the rules we bonded....!

It all worked out in the end, and the admissions code has been rewritten, but it made me triple check all small print for every subsequent school application I did (we have four children).

I'm not disputing that's what you were told, I'm simply questioning the level of truth behind what she told you 😉

Sounds ridiculously unbelievable to me. I'd say she definitely messed up somewhere along the line but it's easier to tweak details to save face and make it seem like a technicality affected the application, rather than an error or deliberate fraudulence on their part.

I don't think it matters how long ago it was, school places simply don't get withdrawn unless there's foul play. People try all sorts to get into so called better schools. Fraudulent applications aren't that uncommon and they do get found out. I doubt anyone would ever outwardly admit to others though that they were trying to fiddle the system. It's much easier to blame it on something else.

CastleTower · 12/08/2024 14:16

@BoleynMemories13 That's the thing, isn't it - such a privileged position to assume people can choose when they move house...!

Even buying and selling isn't as straightforward as that, and renting certainly isn't. Let alone temp accommodation.

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