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Rural school, two classes, one teacher

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Swollenandgrouchy · 02/08/2024 14:38

Hi all,

my daughters go to a small village primary in Scotland.

there are normally 2 classes - p1-3 and p4-7.

we have recently been told that the p1-3 will now be p1-4 and that the older children (p 3 and 4) will be put in a “spare”
classroom, and that the teacher will split herself between the two classes. When the teacher is not with either group, a classroom assistant will take over.

this seems to me that there are two classes, but they are calling it p1-4 in order to only have one teacher.

it’s not sitting quite right with me - is this normal in small schools?

Thanks :)

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AllProperTeaIsTheft · 02/08/2024 14:42

No, that really doesn't sound great at all, but it's increasingly common for classes to be taught by teaching assistants due to teacher shortages and lack of money, unfortunately.

EVHead · 02/08/2024 14:43

In Scotland pupils must be taught by a qualified teacher.

What are the pupil numbers in each class?

Swollenandgrouchy · 02/08/2024 14:48

Thank you. I think around 20 in each composite class (20 in p1-4, 20 in p5-7).

@EVHead do you have a link to some info about the legal requirement for a qualified teacher to be in each class ? I have tried but failed to find this. Thanks so much !

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Swollenandgrouchy · 02/08/2024 18:18

Hopeful bump

Thank you :)

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timetorefresh · 02/08/2024 18:19

Sorry no advice, but that poor teacher!

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 04/08/2024 17:22

https://www.gtcs.org.uk/join-the-register/apply-for-registration/apply-as-a-teacher/pre-application-faqs-for-teachers-qualified-outside-scotland

This may give you some guidance on who is allowed to teach in Scottish schools, but if the school is saying they are one class, technically they do have a qualified teacher- I'm not sure there are rules around the qualified teacher having to be in the room at all times?

I would query it with the school in the first instance, but likely it's not viable for them to have multiple teachers for 20 children- the school sounds very small and it's possible it's not financially viable at all. Are there any other primary options near you?

Paris2196 · 28/08/2024 10:28

In scotland classroom assistants are not teaching assistants and cannot take a class. As this is being timetabled this is not right. Only teacher is in charge of class & could cause issues especially for teacher. Classroom assistant is not insured to be taking a class or even 2 classes. It is not in their role.

TickingAlongNicely · 28/08/2024 10:31

Are they saying its one class, but two separate teaching groups?
Because logically, they will need completely different work anyway... the 4/5yos will need play based learning and the older ones a lot more riguous stuff.
So its only the separate classroom causing an issue?

Paris2196 · 28/08/2024 10:33

In scotland maximum class size is 25 for P1. 25 for composite class and 33 for straight classes. It looks like 2 composite classes so surely there should be 2 teachers.

Paris2196 · 28/08/2024 14:37

If they're in 2 different rooms then they're split into 2 different classes. Classroom assistant should not be timetabled to be in charge of taking a class even if teacher is next door.

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