what does level 4/5 mean in year one?

[newgirl]

Hi at our parent's meeting last night my dd year one teacher said she is level 4/5 for maths and literacy. I asked 'what does that mean - is it good' and she said - 'it doesn't really matter yet - it will mean more in year 2'.

I think she is doing well so im just curious - has anyone else hear this?

4 bananas 8 oranges and 12 apples. I think
Is there a special way of doing it (I can't recall). I just guessed .

when i did my maths gcse we HAD to have a calculator. 1 girls mum had 2 send it in by taxi so she had it on time before the start of the exam!

each time u use 6 fruit 1+2+3=6

24 divided by 6=4

so 4x1 banana=4
4x2 oranges=8
4x3 apples=12

I knew there had to be a formula! Is amazing how much maths was learnt at school and how little I remember.
Quadratic equations anyone?

i think i remember those- something about having to move it to the other side of the= sign 2 work it out i think

I think you need to ask the teacher to be more clear. It can't be the ORT levels if it is for maths as well as literacy. Because ORT is just a reading scheme.

At very least, you need to have some idea whether it means "she's doing brilliantly" or "she's a bit behind" ! Because the comment about Year 2 could mean either.

ok i think i can confirm that my dd would not be able to do popsycal's sums for level 4/5 - and er neither can i!!

the teacher said when i walked in 'she is doing very well and is very able' so i dont think i will ask any more about the levels - i certainly dont want to be a pushy parent - hence asking the wisdom of you lovely lot - she definitely did not say 'she is a genius and can do sums with fruit'

is ORT used in every primary school?

ORT is a reading scheme used in many primary schools but it doesn't relate to literacy and numeracy levels.

My school doesn't use ORT...thankfully! If your daughter brings home books about Biff and Chip and Floppy then her school used ORT.

yes we have seen biff and chip and floppy!

They are the main characters from ORT

I think I know what you mean. It is connected to phonics. Not sure about Maths. Most children will by now in year 2 be working at about level or stage 4/5/6. It is to do with phonemes, graphemes, etc. A teacher friend (year 2) mentioned it in passing one day when my daughter got out a work booklet she had been given for homework, stating "that's a level x booklet" . It has nothing to do with sats levels.
A teacher will probably be able to tell you more about it.

Letters and Sounds (phonics) has 6 phases ~Phase 1 covers nursery to Y2 and beyond, Phases 1 2 3 & 4 will usually be in reception phases 1 & 5 Y1 and phases 1 & 6 Y2 . really just the order the sounds are introduced and no maths connection.

Aha - you see...us key stage 2 teachers know nothing. Brainwashed by SATs...

If a Y1 teacher says a child is working at level 4/5 in maths & literacy they would either be referring to FSP 4/5 or NC 4/5 IMO not ORT or phonics. Hard to tell without actually seeing what the child is doing.

mrz - what does FSP and NC stand for?

FSP Foundation Stage Profile (the curriculum used from aged 3 to end of Reception)
NC National Curriculum of which Foundation Stage, Key Stage 1, Key Stage 2 etc are a part

Can I ask a supplementary question of Piffle, or someone who knows
If Level 4 is where they are meant to be in Year 6, what happens if they are working significantly above that level? Had parents' evening this week and dd1 (not quite 8, in Year 3) is working at Level 4B for Reading and 4C for Writing. Now, I'm not really stressing about it, because I encourage her to read books at home that stretch her and to write interesting stories, etc. But I'm wondering what will happen when she is actually IN Year 6. I mean, will she still be being asked to do the same Level 4 work that she's doing now in Year 3? The school's very good and the teachers say that they are confident they can find ways to stretch her (and anyway she has lots of concentration 'issues' - i.e. she doesn't! - to work on), so I am just wondering really how her progress will be measured between now and the age of 11.

More able children may achieve Level 5 in Y6 and each level has several "sub" levels so it is still quite a journey from 4C to 5A.
Children are expected to progress two sub levels a year so a 4C now would give a strong level 5 in Y6

Thanks mrz. That makes sense. Like I said, I'm wondering more than worrying!

Sorry all for the hijack!