What type of work does your p5 / yr 4 child complete?

[momsterBoo]

Hi All, would anyone mind sharing what type of work your child (8/9 year old) is completing in primary school (mainstream) P5 / yr 4?

Maths, spellings, literacy etc?

Thanks, would really appreciate anyone sharing.

Are you Scotland/England or NI as you mention P5? Might make a difference.

Hi am in Northern Ireland

Hi, sorry currently only have experience of P3 and 4, P5 was a lockdown year for us.

Broadly in school as far as I can tell, follow AR(Accelerated Reading). Also have a reading group - separate reading books for guided reading. In P 5 that would depend on ability level I imagine. Grouped for subjects according to ability. Younger one we have is very able and seems to get a lot of extra worksheets/tasks in school.
Spellings every night, phonic spelling, high frequency words and topic words. Spelling and table test every Friday.
They do a mental maths task every morning.
Mathaletics expected to be done every week.

I’m not sure if you mean actual work in school or homework.

Hopefully this will bump post for you and someone with a P5 will be along shortly.

Thank you for taking the time to reply, I suppose I meant really what specifically they are working on. My 9 year old in P5 (equivalent y4) is still working on 2 (up to 24), 5 (up to 50) and 10 (up to 120) times tables and only started division by 2 up to 24.

Spellings still learning very basic ones like ones below (these are their end of year test spellings to revise). I feel child is massively behind which is what am trying to gage from what others do. Child has a slightly above average IQ on 68th centile.

Given your update yes they do seem very behind. The year 4 children I teach are expected to be pretty much secure in all tables by now although obviously not all are but they are in the minority. Those spellings are also very simple for a year 4 child. Has the school not raised any concerns about their attainment level.

I think those spellings are possibly too simple too. When you say 68th centile IQ - do you have the English and Maths Standarised scores for the end of last year ( or whenever your school does them) .

It is very near the end of P5 too.

Our P 4 has covered all tables to 10. Just starting division and fractions. Sorry keep thinking aloud.

If it helps here's the list of words children in England are expected to know by the end of yr 3/4 for comparison for you.

Those spellings are easier than the whole class spelling list got my P3 (Scotland) child.

They have also moved beyond the 2, 5 and 10 times tables. However, maths is grouped by ability, so I imagine there is massive variation.

It is definitely worth having a chat with their teacher, about how they are progressing. If there are issues it’s best to identify them and get help sooner rather than later.

Surely your children are grouped according to ability @ZipZapZoom and some will not know these but be working at a different level?

Well yes but this is the expectation at the end of year 4. Of course like all classes there will be some children who are ahead of this and some who are behind and obviously extenuating circumstances such as ESL or additional needs are taken into accommodation and interventions planned accordingly. Nevertheless, this is the expected level and any parents of children who fall below this should already be aware their child is behind as it will have been discussed with parents.

My child of a similar age is doing more advanced maths but less advanced literacy. He could read most of the words you've shared but not spell them. He is suspected to be dyslexic though.

So @ZipZapZoom as that is years 3 and 4 (P4 and P5 here) are you saying that is the expectation by the end of year 4(P5) ?

Do you have SATS tests at the end of year 3 (P4) or year 5 (P5) ? Do you have standardised tests each year? We don’t have SATS but have PTE and PTM tests every summer from year 2 (P3) (done on computer these days) giving a standardised score in maths and English. Theoretically schools should be able to glean whether progress is above or below the average using these each year but it is not done at the school our children attend or at least not reported to parents if it is. Only the standardised score is reported.

I agree with having a chat with the teacher if you feel able @momsterBoo .

Yes it's the combined list of words for year 3/4 so shows the standard of what children are expected to be able to spell by the end of year 4.

No sats tests here until year 6 but schools tend to do in house assessments most years like the NFER test to assess if children are meeting the expected level.

If the OP is concerned she should definitely discuss with her child's teacher as from what she's written this child is quite significantly behind in multiple areas. However, my point still stands that actually by now the school should have made the OP aware that her child is behind.

England:

www.twinkl.co.uk/resource/curriculum-overview-checklist-year-4-t-tp-1671801502

Yes I agree @ZipZapZoom I would have expected a conversation at parent interview a couple of years ago.

However there are some areas where attainment is poor due to poverty. Some children (not saying the ops) have had very poor preschool experiences and this is reflected in attainment as they go through school.

Hi All thank you all for your replies, very helpful. Child's CAT score at end of P4 was 104. I feel child is significantly behind and does have a diagnosis of DCD/dyscalculia/dyslexia.

I have been having conversations with school for over 3yrs due to concerns with their progression or lack of it. My problem is school have not shared my concern only seeing it as 'minor issue' and won't agree there's a huge gap between child and their peers. I have applied for statutory assessment but wanted to see if work was different to other children of same age. Thank you all for replies

Thank you, while I agree poverty can have a huge effect on a child's progression this is not the case for us. Vast majority of children from this primary school go to a grammar school for secondary.

Very useful thank you

Thank you good information and I feel child is significantly behind. But for some strange reason school won't acknowledge this

I'm pleased the information is helpful and can totally understand your frustration if the school is refusing to acknowledge there is a problem let alone a significant delay.

I would arrange a meeting, without your child present, to discuss their attainment asap. Hopefully you get some clarity on how they are supporting your child because just pretending there isn't an issue is shockingly poor!

I think the school possibly is unconcerned because 104 is within the average band .
Maybe he has got ‘stuck’ in a group for English, Maths spelling etc because of previous difficulties and it would be good to have a conversation to remind them he is now achieving within the normal range and asking if the work he is being given is suitable still.

I'll admit I don't understand CAT scores as it's not a system we use to measure where I am but I'm finding it hard to believe a pupil aged 9 who is still not only working on the words OP listed but also the maths skills she noted in her first post is scoring an average score? How can they get an average score when they are so clearly behind?The two don't match up?

I’m a bit hazy on CAT too @ZipZapZoom , didn’t use them in my school, but I believe the standardised scores are , well, just that. I think it more likely the school is inflexible with grouping and once you get in a group it’s not reviewed .
Interested to know if the diagnosis of DCD etc was done in school by a psychologist or a private assessment and surprised if the former suggestions were not made/ put in place to ensure progress. Does he have an education plan (PLP)?