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Child alone in school yard all the time and lonely, what can I do

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Mumof3onetwothree · 09/01/2024 11:08

My 8 year old daughter is alone in the school yard all the time. It's been like this for several terms now. We have approached the school but they've said with a child who is quiet and timid there's not much you can do. We've also asked for her to sit beside like minded peers in the hope at least that she can have some contact with similar children in the classroom but they have said their policy is to alternate boys and girls and so she is always beside the more boisterous boys in the class. She used to play with lots of the girls but then began to be excluded.
I have spent years doing playdates, going to the park with the classmates etc. at this stage now it feels like I am a bit taken advantage of as in the parents happy to accept playdate for childcare purposes or for me to drop their child home but the girls don't play with her in the yard.
She does extra curricular activities, again she is quiet, we don't have any neighbours her age, cousins live abroad.
Is there anything I can do? And if not how to we cope with the sadness that this is happening. I feel I was so lucky in my childhood to always have at least one friend at school.

I've also posted this in the parenting thread

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offthestickerchart · 09/01/2024 14:11

Sorry to hear the update OP. It sounds like, as a new school, they have a lot to prove and are extremely focussed on not getting any negative publicity or feedback, and using good old fear tactics (towards children and parents) to achieve this.

In so many this is simply not a place your daughter should be. She will not thrive - in fact she'll do the opposite in that atmosphere. It's cultural (as in, I permeates the organisation ruled from the Head down), and it seems they've started as they mean to go on. It's deeply unhealthy and detrimental to any child who doesn't fit the mould precisely.

You haven't answered about whether she's doing any outside school activities with other children in the meantime?

offthestickerchart · 09/01/2024 14:12

Sorry for my typos - hasty lunch time response!

Chaiilatte · 09/01/2024 14:15

Doesn't sound like a very good school. My daughter was extremely shy too and never spoke in class. The teacher was very good about it all, and tried to put her next to other shy girls in hopes to form a bond and feel more comfortable to come out of their shell.
Can you go in again and make some fuss and ask the teacher to not be putting her next to boisterous boys and try and be a bit more accommodating? perhaps even move her class?

tennissquare · 09/01/2024 14:19

offthestickerchart · 09/01/2024 14:11

Sorry to hear the update OP. It sounds like, as a new school, they have a lot to prove and are extremely focussed on not getting any negative publicity or feedback, and using good old fear tactics (towards children and parents) to achieve this.

In so many this is simply not a place your daughter should be. She will not thrive - in fact she'll do the opposite in that atmosphere. It's cultural (as in, I permeates the organisation ruled from the Head down), and it seems they've started as they mean to go on. It's deeply unhealthy and detrimental to any child who doesn't fit the mould precisely.

You haven't answered about whether she's doing any outside school activities with other children in the meantime?

I agree, the school has too much to prove by being new, you need to change school for your dd.

Mumof3onetwothree · 09/01/2024 14:55

offthestickerchart · 09/01/2024 14:11

Sorry to hear the update OP. It sounds like, as a new school, they have a lot to prove and are extremely focussed on not getting any negative publicity or feedback, and using good old fear tactics (towards children and parents) to achieve this.

In so many this is simply not a place your daughter should be. She will not thrive - in fact she'll do the opposite in that atmosphere. It's cultural (as in, I permeates the organisation ruled from the Head down), and it seems they've started as they mean to go on. It's deeply unhealthy and detrimental to any child who doesn't fit the mould precisely.

You haven't answered about whether she's doing any outside school activities with other children in the meantime?

You've hit the nail on the head....very very focused on how they appear (despite now being very oversubscribed)...and they really don't like people leaving the school either, I assume because they don't want things being said to other schools. I feel I've been blacklisted because I've dared to say anything negative
She's doing swimming, tennis and gymnastics.. and there's one after school art class per week in the school which she likes because the teacher is nice.They all go some way towards a bit of socialising but it doesn't really make up for the school day. Unfortunately we don't have neighbours with similar aged children and girl guides is full (apparently it is better for actually socialising ...lots of lining up taking turns etc at the sports activities).
Thanks so much for listening.
There are very few school places in other schools for her age group as there is a population bulge and also it is very hard for schools to get teachers so many teachers in our area are very new (ie still living with parents and straight out of college) and it is leading to issues because of inexperience. I think it's a v big problem in our school because then they all ask the headmistress for advice ....but I've heard from friends that this is an issue in other local schools too and sometimes they are having trouble even filling a teaching post. My son is having a great year in the same school because he has one of the few experienced teachers and she never needs to call the headmistress for help.
I really appreciate your advice, thank you so much.

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Mumof3onetwothree · 09/01/2024 14:56

(house prices and accommodation too expensive for most teachers around here)

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Greenbeanie88 · 09/01/2024 20:22

It's heartbreaking to see your kid feeling lonely at school. I've had this a bit with mine, although she does have some friends and gets herself involved in different groups it seems - she still sometimes breaks down crying telling me she's been alone at playtime. It's crushing.
You have nothing to lose by applying for a place at another school for your daughter. You don't have to take it but just start the ball rolling so you have options - spaces and movement happen all the time. Life is short and she deserves happiness in her education setting.

I think the way the school has handled this is terrible and I just wouldn't want my child there. The girl cliques can be so awful and I think the school has a duty of care to manage them - it's so common around this age, I'm surprised at their approach.
I hope you can find a solution and wish you and your daughter the very best.

Clebran · 16/01/2024 10:05

Sorry that I don't have any advice, but just wanted to say that we're having a similar problem. The only difference is that mine isn't particularly shy. It's heartbreaking that she's lonely at playtime. I hope the school can do more to help you. Our school have said they will 'keep an eye on things' at playtime so we'll see but this has gone on for quite a while. Just wanted you to know that you aren't alone in this!

user1497207191 · 16/01/2024 10:14

That was me, too, at primary school. I used to wish for rainy days so that we'd be allowed to stay in the classroom at breaks!

My son started going the same way in his first year at primary, but they had a "buddy" system and as soon as we mentioned how lonely and unhappy he was at breaks, the teacher organised an older "buddy" for him, literally the next day, and it cured the problem overnight as sometimes he'd just hang out and chat with the buddy, other times, the buddy would meet up with other buddies/lonely pupils and do things together.

Your school really sounds hopeless. They need to take this more seriously and actually "do" something rather than just the lazy "victim blaming" of telling the child to make more effort!!!

alltheteainchina · 16/01/2024 10:25

With that sort of response from the school I would be looking to move to a different school - is that an option?

Leyenda · 16/01/2024 10:39

Definitely move schools. The headteacher’s behaviour is appalling and it is very difficult to come back from
thet level of social isolation.

I know you’re in Ireland but surely all schools within a 45 minute drive can’t be this shit?!

Where I am a lot of people move here to send their child to a good school, then move away when the child is adult. You have options…

Mumof3onetwothree · 16/01/2024 12:57

Clebran · 16/01/2024 10:05

Sorry that I don't have any advice, but just wanted to say that we're having a similar problem. The only difference is that mine isn't particularly shy. It's heartbreaking that she's lonely at playtime. I hope the school can do more to help you. Our school have said they will 'keep an eye on things' at playtime so we'll see but this has gone on for quite a while. Just wanted you to know that you aren't alone in this!

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Things have improved significantly since going back after Xmas. The class teacher sat her with nice kids and is doing some structured games in the yard. So it seems all my battles have made some difference. Communication very poor still from school but my child is happier so that buys me time. I hope your school can improve things a bit for your child....it was quite a battle for me but eventually seems to have paid off a bit...

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Mumof3onetwothree · 16/01/2024 13:08

Leyenda · 16/01/2024 10:39

Definitely move schools. The headteacher’s behaviour is appalling and it is very difficult to come back from
thet level of social isolation.

I know you’re in Ireland but surely all schools within a 45 minute drive can’t be this shit?!

Where I am a lot of people move here to send their child to a good school, then move away when the child is adult. You have options…

Thank you yes I wish it was easier but unfortunately moving schools is not straightforward at the moment. I would need 2 places as none of the schools are close enough to each other to manage two fairly simultaneous collection times... and spaces are few and far between ....we are in the city a 25 min walk from school and honestly sometimes even driving that can take longer than walking when we have to can take over half an hour depending on traffic and roadworks. So we are quite limited to trying to get into certain schools. It would be possible in the long run but not necessarily this coming September it might be the following year unless miraculously 2 spaces came available during term time....

I think this is part of the reason the school is getting away with behaving so badly. They know it's so hard for people to leave . Otherwise I think a lot of people would go.

There's a housing crisis in Dublin too so really we are lucky to have our own house...
The only option for us would be moving out of the city and then there would be the issue of finding jobs, house etc etc not just school places.

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TheYearOfSmallThings · 16/01/2024 13:53

Mumof3onetwothree · 16/01/2024 12:57

Things have improved significantly since going back after Xmas. The class teacher sat her with nice kids and is doing some structured games in the yard. So it seems all my battles have made some difference. Communication very poor still from school but my child is happier so that buys me time. I hope your school can improve things a bit for your child....it was quite a battle for me but eventually seems to have paid off a bit...

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It might be that these short term measures are enough for her to build friendships and the problem resolves itself.

At the weekend a friend mentioned that her son is in a similar situation now because his best friend moved away over the summer, and it has left him isolated. When my friend went in to see if the school had noticed anything they said "Yes, we've noticed he's alone at lunchtime", but they didn't seem to feel any action was required. Really disappointing because he is a great kid and a tiny bit of effort would set up friendships - he just needs the opportunity.

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