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DS nearly 5 struggles with writing and upset about it

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Picturesofowls · 20/10/2023 10:07

First parents evening - doing well at maths, behaviour and science, struggling with writing. They're not being overly harsh if you ask for an s you get a very creative full page squiggle followed by aaaahhh I can't do this, pen down. Then I was upset to hear him call himself stupid, usually he's very confident.

What can we do to help? We think there are a couple of reasons:

  1. He's never been into drawing or colouring (despite me bring arty) he'd just rather do sport or lego do doesn't have the hand control. I'm wondering if there's any superhero themed art or writing he might like?
  2. He's not used to really struggling or noticing someone else can do what he cant. Things he's tried like bike riding, archery etc.. and numbers have come easily to him. If its both boring and difficult he gives up. I was sad to hear him calling himself stupid etc over the writing. We always say it's just practise, you're getting there, we'll done etc... we don't pile on pressure so it surprises me he said this.

Any advice please? Should we incentivise with stickers/toys, use a pad to practise hand control (we currently try to limit screen time and no pad use), will it just happen in time...just not sure.

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Picturesofowls · 20/10/2023 13:34

Whataretheodds · 20/10/2023 12:16

Also - it sounds as though you are displaying the right attitude to things that don't come naturally. If you don't know where him calling himself 'stupid' has come from I'd think about a gentle exploring chat with the teacher to see if he/she can shed any light on where that has come from.

You're right that a good mindset when it comes to things we find difficult is an important life skill.

Thanks, thats helpful. I told the teacher he's getting upset and calling himself stupid when he didn't used to do that. She said she didn't know why. However she thinks he may have only just realised some kids are better at writing and its a bit of a shock. She said there's a mix of abilities in the class.

He is generally competitive and people often comment 'isnt he intelligent' because hes very articulate and confident - also DH has a clever job and perhaps kids pick up on that.

So he may expect to be good at things. I try to praise effort rather than just outcome and show my own struggles (for example using tools) and that I keep trying.

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booksandbrooks · 20/10/2023 13:34

I just wanted to say that struggling is actually a positive thing over all. Bright kids who find school easy frequently struggle later in education/ life more generally.

Learning to work at something is an important part of growing so even though it's horrid to watch your children struggle it's actually okay, even beneficial.

Hands are still developing at that age and girls tend to develop sooner. Good luck.

Picturesofowls · 20/10/2023 13:36

Viviennemary · 20/10/2023 12:27

Can't you use bribery. He does say 5 letters then a treat or star to save up for a toy.

Was wondering. Though last time I tried DH thwarted my attempt as he accidentally found his birthday present. I'm always asking DH not to buy toys so I can use them as rewards. I thinknour parenting styles are not coordinated 🤣

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Picturesofowls · 20/10/2023 13:38

booksandbrooks · 20/10/2023 13:34

I just wanted to say that struggling is actually a positive thing over all. Bright kids who find school easy frequently struggle later in education/ life more generally.

Learning to work at something is an important part of growing so even though it's horrid to watch your children struggle it's actually okay, even beneficial.

Hands are still developing at that age and girls tend to develop sooner. Good luck.

Thanks I like this. I have a few friends who struggled at primary school for various reasons who are now happy and have great jobs they enjoy.

I guess though the key is that they don't give up altogether and just think learning isn't for me. I'm not sure of the difference.

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Mischance · 20/10/2023 13:40

Your child is not yet 5 - barely out of the womb in the bigger scheme of things. If he were in say Germany, he would not even be asked to try and do this till age 6. He should just be getting used to holding a pencil and controlling it enough to draw shapes/scribbles. He has the rest of his life to learn to write! The thought of him being upset about is the thing that needs dealing with - not the fact that he cannot do it! Concentrate on the things he can do and have fun with those.

If he still struggles with writing when he is perhaps 10 then you could seek help. Having said that, my brother is a grown adult and his writing is hopeless - always has been! Hasn't held him back. And in these days of computers/phones etc. we none of us write very much anyway!

Picturesofowls · 20/10/2023 13:41

BoohooWoohoo · 20/10/2023 11:38

Does your son have access to writing tools that aren't pencil and paper? Eg gel pens, magna doodle, aqua doodle, fingers in shaving foam etc

Writing requires good fine and gross motor skills. So you need arm muscles as well as hand muscles. Is he using small Lego or duplo?

You can get cheap activity books with puzzles like dot to dot and drawing a line to match pairs eg Captain America and his shield sort of thing. This way he is writing but it's fun and not focused on phonics.

Thanks, hes very good with lego but the other ideas are useful additions.

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Sunshinebuttercupsrainbows · 20/10/2023 13:42

My DS is two years older than yours and still hates writing, we’ve been using the Write from the Start programme and have seen a huge improvement over the past few months. He still hates it but it’s eligible!

his school aren’t concerned and his senco told me we live in a world of technology where his handwriting just isn’t really going to matter, so don’t stress about it.

Patchworksack · 20/10/2023 13:44

You’ve had loads of suggestions but my kids liked an app called Hairy Letters where you squish a little hairy monster and use it to write letters with your finger. Has small boy appeal!

Picturesofowls · 20/10/2023 13:48

plumtreebroke · 20/10/2023 12:43

My DD was like this at 4 or 5, it turned out she was dyslexic, she really couldn't see the difference in lots of letters b, d, p and q were all the same, h and y, g an e, s and 5, 6 and 9, also things like on and no. She would just look at the letters she was meant to copy and cry. She sorted it out eventually by the shape of whole words and context, but it was painful trying to help and she didn't understand why it was so difficult. She did very well in all her exams later, so worked out OK.

My DH had always said he had trouble with letters because he 'missed' half the alphabet by being ill, in retrospect I think he had similar problems.

Thanks. Sorry to hear it made her cry. It sounds like you struck a good balance between encouragement and patience.

I've looked at dyslexia symptoms. However he is very articulate for his age, has a great memory for directions, songs and stories. He's not a daydreamer like me - he's very present. So I don't know if it's possible he could be. Perhaps something to watch out if the issue persists in a few years.

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ParentsTrapped · 20/10/2023 21:10

ButtonDownBev · 20/10/2023 12:51

I could have written this word for word last year about my Ds! Literally identical, however we are now in year one and he's come on SO much where it wasn't even bought up at all in this year's parents evening (different teacher from the reception one)

I mentioned how difficult he found writing (he still won't do it at home with me at all) and the teacher looked surprised, and said no he's right on track, doing well and just needs to work on finger spaces. I was flabbergasted and she pulled his book and he is writing sentences!!! Yes they are a bit messy but I can fully read them!

So the advice I would give that seems to have worked for us this far is...

Don't push at home, don't use rewards and don't really mention it AT ALL (I didn't want to give ds a complex about it and make it a long term issue) so I literally backed off completely and let school work on it but nothing with me or at home.

Increase activities that build finger strength like playdoh, kinetic sand, sticker books etc

Leave pens/paper etc always accessable for them to see them out and about and decide to pick up themselves (Ds never did but eventually as he got more confident at school he started too!) We just left it on our coffee table in the living room.

Treat them to new art supplies/colouring books etc to see if they choose one they might like to do a few minutes of colouring - especially if you do it with them together and let them boss you around 😂

A mini whiteboard is really good for them to scribble on and wipe off (D's liked it because it's not permanent like paper is so he can just run it out and mess around with it) same with using a paintbrush and water outside to paint the fence or the patio etc

Do craft activities (it was hard to get D's interested) but we would combine it with going on a nature walk to collect pinecones etc and then decorate them when we got home, or doing Christmas or Halloween themed crafts together was met with less resistance lol!

Keep working on things they enjoy and are good at at home to build their confidence in general. If they like maths, or reading, or music etc encourage that as they will be working on writing at school and building their confidence in other areas (even if you don't think they need it) will help them feel positive in general.

Obviously I'm not an expert but it's super common for boys to take longer to get to grips with writing and so I would honestly take a complete back seat, even though I know the thought of that is terrifying because you don't want them to fall further behind and you want to help whilst it's not too late etc BUT I really do think it's a matter of giving them time to just mature physically and it will fall into place.

Last weekend D's told me they did a wanted poster for evil pea (from super tato the book) in school and he wanted to recreate that activity at home - I couldn't have dreamed he would want to or be able to do that a year ago.

Yesterday ds started drawing with the paper we leave out, whilst I was doing the dishes and he came running in, he had written me a note that said 'to mummy, your the best mummy in the world, I love you' again I couldn't even imagine him doing that before!

They're still so little so I'm sure it will come, they just need time and they can't naturally be good at everything.

Agree with every word of this!

Mine is a May born boy and he was exactly the same at this point in reception - no interest in drawing or writing.

He’s now in year 1 and with no effort from me other than making art supplies available he’s suddenly massively into drawing and writing and come on so much.

Also reversals are totally normal at this age. They’ve spent their lives learning that a chair upside down or the other way round is still a chair, so it involves a huge brain shift to twig that a b and a d and p and a q are all different.

Pinkpinkplonk · 20/10/2023 21:26

No! Just make it fun so he wants to try.
Learning is a lifelong skill, I’m still doing it, and enjoying now more than ever!
A very wise person told me many moons ago
“ every day’s a learning day”
I didn’t really understand what that meant until I reached my 40s . Now, honestly, every day’s a learning day!

Jonas25 · 21/10/2023 13:05

ButtonDownBev · 20/10/2023 12:51

I could have written this word for word last year about my Ds! Literally identical, however we are now in year one and he's come on SO much where it wasn't even bought up at all in this year's parents evening (different teacher from the reception one)

I mentioned how difficult he found writing (he still won't do it at home with me at all) and the teacher looked surprised, and said no he's right on track, doing well and just needs to work on finger spaces. I was flabbergasted and she pulled his book and he is writing sentences!!! Yes they are a bit messy but I can fully read them!

So the advice I would give that seems to have worked for us this far is...

Don't push at home, don't use rewards and don't really mention it AT ALL (I didn't want to give ds a complex about it and make it a long term issue) so I literally backed off completely and let school work on it but nothing with me or at home.

Increase activities that build finger strength like playdoh, kinetic sand, sticker books etc

Leave pens/paper etc always accessable for them to see them out and about and decide to pick up themselves (Ds never did but eventually as he got more confident at school he started too!) We just left it on our coffee table in the living room.

Treat them to new art supplies/colouring books etc to see if they choose one they might like to do a few minutes of colouring - especially if you do it with them together and let them boss you around 😂

A mini whiteboard is really good for them to scribble on and wipe off (D's liked it because it's not permanent like paper is so he can just run it out and mess around with it) same with using a paintbrush and water outside to paint the fence or the patio etc

Do craft activities (it was hard to get D's interested) but we would combine it with going on a nature walk to collect pinecones etc and then decorate them when we got home, or doing Christmas or Halloween themed crafts together was met with less resistance lol!

Keep working on things they enjoy and are good at at home to build their confidence in general. If they like maths, or reading, or music etc encourage that as they will be working on writing at school and building their confidence in other areas (even if you don't think they need it) will help them feel positive in general.

Obviously I'm not an expert but it's super common for boys to take longer to get to grips with writing and so I would honestly take a complete back seat, even though I know the thought of that is terrifying because you don't want them to fall further behind and you want to help whilst it's not too late etc BUT I really do think it's a matter of giving them time to just mature physically and it will fall into place.

Last weekend D's told me they did a wanted poster for evil pea (from super tato the book) in school and he wanted to recreate that activity at home - I couldn't have dreamed he would want to or be able to do that a year ago.

Yesterday ds started drawing with the paper we leave out, whilst I was doing the dishes and he came running in, he had written me a note that said 'to mummy, your the best mummy in the world, I love you' again I couldn't even imagine him doing that before!

They're still so little so I'm sure it will come, they just need time and they can't naturally be good at everything.

I second all of this. Terrible spidery writing in reception and hated doing it. Now happily writing sentences. Sometimes completely unprompted. I wouldn't have believed this if you told me a year ago. Regret worrying about it In Reception now as clearly just needed more time for hand strength and language ability to develop.

jannier · 21/10/2023 13:26

Hands are not fully developed until around 13 put in lots of finger gym and strengthening activities like playdo have a Google for ideas

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