Any year 2 teachers about?

[SonicStars]

Hello,
I have been homeschooling my child and he wishes to return to school. For a number of reasons I am looking for him to be educated outside of his age group. I have to provide various evidence to demonstrate that it would be in his best interests.
My question is this: last time he attended school was year 2. His teacher told me that he didn't lose a single mark in his maths or reading papers for his KS1 SATs. I just wanted to know how common that is please. Is it unusual enough to be worth including or is it fairly common for able year 2s.
Many thanks

P.S. I am really not interested in getting into a discussion about educating children out of year - just here to find out about the distribution of KS1 SAT scores please if anyone can help

It's uncommon but certainly not unknown, we have 2-3 every year with perfect ( or near perfect because of a slip) results. It would put them, in our school, in the top 10% but no higher than that.

I think if you want him to skip a year, you would need to he able to demonstrate that he can do (well!) all of the things listed on the curriculum in English and maths for the year(s) that he is skipping.

No point putting him in (say) Y5 if he can't competently understand and complete the stuff they'll have done in Y4 and Y3.

It’s uncommon, but not unusual. Happens fairly regularly that you get one in your class with ‘perfect’ scores.

He would be working at the top of the class.

What year group should he be in and what do you want him going into? Generally, I would say it’s not a good idea socially to go out of cohort.

There are a number of reasons why it would be better to put him in a class of children his own age.

Socially, he has a lot of learning to do in managing being amonst diverse peers. His social skills are probably well developed in relation to adults and reasonable other children, but classroom dynamics can be taxing for a beginner.

If he is with an older cohort of children, there will be differences of physical maturity too and this could impact PE and other aspects of the curriculum, as well as socially.

Statuary assessments are age-determined nowadays, so he would be wasting time preparing for tests and exams that he was not yet eligible to take.

Performance on the fairly limited basis of KS1 national tests is not an assessment of his learning or progress. The tests are for government monitoring of schools, not individual pupil attainment.

I'm sure his school will be capable of differentation of learning to challenge and support him. Remember that there will be a variety of abilities amonst the other children in his class; academically, emotionally and socially. They will be able to cater for him.

I've taught year 2 for a while and every year I have between 2 to 5 children who get perfect marks.

Evidence of 'best interest' won't just mean academic ability.

Your child needs to be placed in a year that will cater for all his needs, he may well be academically strong but a bit behind in something else such as communication skills or whatever. Do you think it might be worth your child going in to the correct year group but going In to the year above for English or maths every day?

Thank you @spanieleyes @VariationsonaTheme and@avocadotofu
Really appreciate it.

Obviously the rest of us wasted our time replying?

But the OP said she did not want to get into discussions about that. She just wanted to know how common it was to get perfect marks.

Poor child just wants to play with other children by the sounds of it and not be stuck at home with his mum all day who thinks he's a genius

She explained the background to her enquiry and got an explanation of why it was a flawed point in the case she was trying to make.
Bluddy rude of her.

I have worked in education for 15 years, and came on to say that I have never seen a primary-aged child in a state primary put into a year group older than their actual age dictates, although I have seen a handful of August-born children or summer-born children with EAL put into the year below.
Schools are expected to be able to stretch more able children without putting them in different classes. Some of them do put high ability maths and English groups to push the more able children, it might be worth checking if the schools you are considering do that.
As other posters have said, getting full marks in KS1 SATs is not that unusual - top 5%-10% would normally do that, depending on the school.

There is no need for rudeness everybody. I probably shouldn't have given any background to my query, to avoid the derailing, but I didn't realise people would be quite so obstinate about refusing to answer the question given.

You really need a response to all your unsought "advice?"
The child is not going into primary school. It's absolute nonsense about statutory exams, they can take gcses and alevels/bacc at any age. The only future consideration is if they wish to do medicine many universities will need them to take a gap year before uni, which is quite a common time to do so. The background question is whether they start in sept 2024 or wait another year. There are obviously more factors than simply academics that lead us to think returning to school next year a few weeks out of his age group would be in his best interest. The child has no interest in returning to school for year six. They do not wish to "play with friends" more than the wide variety of opportunities they get to do so already.
In many countries and indeed in the past in the uk, as well as in small schools nowadays with mixed year classes there is a lot more flexibility with groupings. I am not forgetting about social needs and having worked in education for 20 years (secondary, hence this question to ks1 teachers), in schools, including as a science AST, in informal education, and in home/world schooling pop ups I'm well aware of exactly where he is academically, probably more so than a teacher who also has to continually monitor 29 other pupils of varying needs.

I'm sorry that I didn't thank you, but if you'd properly read my post and not made assumptions I think you would have realised that I wouldn't.

You obviously consider yourself superior to primary teachers, so I'm surprised you asked for opinions.

You want your child to be considered for early entry to secondary education based on his or her KS1 test results years ago? That's pretty awful.

The fact that you dismiss the social and emotional aspects of schooling as 'playing with friends' shows that you lack understanding of development and maturity.

@SonicStars am I understanding correctly that your DS is at the moment chronologically year 5 (were he in school now, in his age-appropriate cohort) and you are considering whether he should wait until 2025 entry into year 7, with the age-appropriate cohort, or can you start him in year 7 in 2024, when he would be year 6 age-wise?

If so, you need to have a conversation now with your local authority - and possibly individual schools - about out of normal year group admission and any supporting evidence required , because the deadline for on-time applications for state secondary school year 7 entry is October 31st.

Apologies if I've misunderstood, or if you have already taken this into account, also feel free to dismiss my contribution to the thread as irrelevant anyway, since I'm not a teacher of any description, let alone a year 2 one.

(@DelphiniumBlue , being 'accelerated' in state primary schools may have disappeared by the start of your career - which must have coincided, more or less, with the push for allowing children who would be the youngest in their 'correct' school year to be the eldest in the one below instead - but it certainly used to be a 'thing'. I was moved into the year 4 class halfway through year 3 back in the 1960s and, more recently, 2007 in fact, DS1 was moved up into a year 6 class for the second half of year 5. In both cases, though we had to repeat year 6 and enter secondary school with the correct cohort)

The school is not going to consider your child's key stage 1 results as evidence they should start secondary early. Are you serious?

Oh my days.
No. I was not planning on including them. Wondered whether it was worth mentioning in passing as it was the last time he was in a uk school. Would only have done that if they were remarkable. As expected they are not and I am pleased to have my thoughts confirmed by teachers who know what they're talking about.
The "playing with friends" was a quote from a previous poster and your response just illustrates further your inattention to the thread content and purpose.

@MarchingFrogs , that is indeed why the timing of it all is now. We have submitted our evidence to the council, have been instructed to fill in the online application by the 31st regardless, been given permission to sit the 11+ and they will inform us of their decision at their leisure. We're off to Malaysia in a couple of weeks until Christmas and are enjoying this second summer until then.

Whilst we're having a little chat about people's varying experiences, off the topic of the thread, in my grammar school in the late 90s there were a number of people educated out of year. Mainly above, but also below for medical reasons or due to entering the school at a later point. My primary school (well, combined school) was not small but had mixed year classes as a choice (think 4 classes of Yr 2/3). My best friend from Scotland was also put up a year. Also in Scotland I believe the cut of point is around Easter as opposed to September 1st and so there must be hundreds of children who move either way across the border and just slip into a different cohort.

Secondary school isn’t about academics, it’s about maturity. If you feel your child would survive then go for it. But I wouldn’t feel comfortable sending a 10 year old to a school with nearly 2000 others and telling them to get on with it. However again your child and not all schools are like this. Also I think the private schools have it right and 13 is the perfect age to head to secondary. The days of middle schools were probably about right.

Well op I have to say , your child’s eventual teacher is a lucky person and parents evening will be a delight 😂🫣