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Teachers home visits for kids starting reception

97 replies

Auk1 · 06/09/2023 10:59

My neighbours just had a huge row about this. Shes fine, he most definitely is not. Overheard, (all windows are open as its so hot!) he said,” No f…ing way is any teacher coming in this house! Kids see their teacher's at school and thats that. Anyone comes knocking and they will meet with a violent f… ing reception!” He was so angry. He went on to say he knows of someone who is a meth head and has just started teaching, that there is no way he wants some random in his house. Then the front door slammed and she walked off down the road with her youngest.
I actually home ed my autistic 11 year old who heard all of this too. He piped up and said, “ Do you know what mum? The whole school system is broken and needs to be changed.” He went on to inform me that school has barely changed since it started, and that originally it was to train up factory workers!

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caban · 06/09/2023 12:52

Teachers are going to judge dog shit on the floor and drug paraphernalia on the coffee table.

No-one cares about your ordinary, small, untidy house Grin

doroda · 06/09/2023 12:59

tescocreditcard · 06/09/2023 12:33

@doroda I have no interest in visiting my kids teachers homes because I couldn't care less whether or not my kids teachers clean their homes. I'm only interested in how they teach my children.

I think there is a lot of projection here - everyone thinking that teachers want to check your house is clean, that's not what it's for - but if you think it is - then like I said earlier, just clean it, this one time.

As I said, my house is always clean and tidy, so it's not about that. But it is a very small house on a slightly grotty road in a not very affluent area, which perhaps I am sensitive about, and would hate for there to be any kind of judgement about our class/income/whatever.

Lelophants · 06/09/2023 13:01

I find it weird you wouldnt a home visit. The whole point is to meet the child, learn what they like and help them settle.

Lelophants · 06/09/2023 13:01

Omg they really don’t care!

Heyhoherewegoagain · 06/09/2023 13:02

Auk1 · 06/09/2023 11:12

My question is what do people think about home visits?

I thought you were just posting to tell us about your oh so smart precocious kid

Comefromaway · 06/09/2023 13:05

My child's school didn't do home visits, however unless they were prepared to visit at very specific times I would have declined. Dh worked from home as a private tutor, the children were cared for by grandparents several days per week whilst I worked and it just wouldn't have worked for us.

WeWereInParis · 06/09/2023 13:05

Auk1 · 06/09/2023 11:12

My question is what do people think about home visits?

I'm fine with them generally.

My main irritation was the way you were just given a date and time, and expected to be available. My DD has a friend with two secondary school teachers as parents, and they had patronising "oh no, but it is very important for us to do the home visit, your child would really benefit" messages and conversations. They couldn't understand why people who were themselves teachers didn't understand why they couldn't just drop everything to be at home at a random time. They weren't asking for it be rearranged, they were just saying they couldn't do it.

I understand it must be difficult arranging the times for home visits, but some awareness that not everyone can just take time off, or wfh, would be nice. I couldn't make ours due to an unavoidable hospital appointment (DH was there instead) - they acted like I'd said I didn't give a shit about my child's education. I bet they wouldn't have been so surprised if only the mum had been available, and the dad had been elsewhere.

Parker231 · 06/09/2023 13:06

Lelophants · 06/09/2023 13:01

I find it weird you wouldnt a home visit. The whole point is to meet the child, learn what they like and help them settle.

We didn’t want one because we were at work and DT’s at nursery. DT’s met their teachers on their first day of school - no issues.

RaininSummer · 06/09/2023 13:07

Home visits seem a great idea as at least they might flag up serious safeguarding concerns. That man sounds vile.

Throwncrumbs · 06/09/2023 13:08

Candymay · 06/09/2023 11:18

I wouldn’t like home visits at all. I think it’s really unfair on the family and the child in particular. Too intrusive. And not everyone lives in a lovely house. Teachers would judge. They would have an impression in their mind about home life and that affects their expectations of the child. You can say what you like about not judging but it’s not how humans work. The child should be seen with the potential they bring and treated equally. You know how your child’s name matters? Same with your house.

They have been happening for over 30 years. Do you not think that a teacher needs to know about a child’s home life? Also I think it’s to stop the people who falsely claim they live somewhere to get into a ‘better’ school. If you have something to hide then it’s going to be no better evidence than to refuse the visit imo

WeWereInParis · 06/09/2023 13:09

Home visits are invariably offered if they aren't in a childcare setting and the parent declines meeting at the school etc.

Ours were universal. My DD was at a nursery very close to the school, and we weren't offered the equivalent meeting at school. They just told us we'd be sent a time for the home visit. It was the same for everyone.

I don't mind, but it definitely isn't only offered when alternatives aren't available

nokidshere · 06/09/2023 13:17

When did it start becoming the norm?

They were definitely a thing when mine stated school 21yrs ago.

Mumuser124 · 06/09/2023 13:18

I don't agree with home visits personally. We as humans, judge. We group people, it's apart of our biology.

I think sometimes people can unfairly discriminate based on these first assumptions.

As an example :teacher going into a beautifully presented, large 4 bedroom home are likely going to think of this child and family favourably. On the other hand, Walking into a home with no carpets,flooring, poorly presented and potentially a bit of a mess is not going to garner as favourable assumption in my opinion. I don't think a teacher will mean to do this, but it happens.

SleepingStandingUp · 06/09/2023 13:18

Auk1 · 06/09/2023 10:59

My neighbours just had a huge row about this. Shes fine, he most definitely is not. Overheard, (all windows are open as its so hot!) he said,” No f…ing way is any teacher coming in this house! Kids see their teacher's at school and thats that. Anyone comes knocking and they will meet with a violent f… ing reception!” He was so angry. He went on to say he knows of someone who is a meth head and has just started teaching, that there is no way he wants some random in his house. Then the front door slammed and she walked off down the road with her youngest.
I actually home ed my autistic 11 year old who heard all of this too. He piped up and said, “ Do you know what mum? The whole school system is broken and needs to be changed.” He went on to inform me that school has barely changed since it started, and that originally it was to train up factory workers!

Your child's observation on the education system isn't linked to your seemingly violent, idiotic neighbour. I hope she and her kid are safe.

Auk1 · 06/09/2023 13:23

Yawn

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Gellhell · 06/09/2023 14:44

I also have 2 big bouncy dogs. I would hate a home visit. Let's be real. It's a chance for the teacher to be nosey!!

Orturo · 06/09/2023 14:59

I like your OP. You should make it into a Facebook post for people to share.

Jwhb · 06/09/2023 18:45

Gellhell · 06/09/2023 14:44

I also have 2 big bouncy dogs. I would hate a home visit. Let's be real. It's a chance for the teacher to be nosey!!

If by be nosey, you mean:

  • Develop a rapport with children and their families
  • Recognize SEN or other needs that haven't been picked up by health visitors
  • Recognize barriers to accessing learning eg. Seeing that a child is in overcrowded accommodations or has no Internet access
  • Refer significant safeguarding concerns (no, that's not when a house is grubby or small. It's when the child is sleeping in a dog bed, with a dog, and faeces. Yes. It happens)
Then you're right.
BoleynMemories13 · 07/09/2023 05:09

It's a shame so many people seem to be so cynical as to the purpose of a home visit.

I've 14 years experience of such visits as a Reception teacher (baring the Covid years of September 20 and 21, where we had a Zoom meeting to 'meet' the family, gather some basic information about their child's needs and answer any questions they may have. Having experienced both types, I much prefer a home visit in terms of building a relationship with the family and, most importantly, understanding their individual needs and circumstances. They are the main purposes of a home visit.

First and foremost we want to build a relationship with the child. I find that children do tend to come in happier and settle quicker on their first day if they've seen us in their home. If they don't, it's far easier to reassure them and calm them down if you can refer back to the visit and strike up a conversation about their cat that you met, or a toy that you remember playing with together at their house etc. It reminds them that you're not a stranger and you're already starting to learn about things that are special or important to them.

Not only do we want to build a relationship with the child, we want to build a positive relationship with their family too. We want to be approachable, for the parents to feel they can talk to us about anything, any time they need to. Far from being an official meeting where we are judging and making mental notes on anyone's perceived 'failings' (cleanliness, the area they live in, and all the other things it appears from this post that people sadly assume we'll be judging on), it's about ensuring our families see that we value them as equals in this partnership of educating their child. We're not unapproachable strangers, when it comes to them and their child we're interested and we're here to help, rather than being superior beings who look down our nose at them. Personally I've found people are much more likely to open up about concerns/issues in the comfort of their own home than in a meeting in the classroom or via Zoom. They're also far more likely to approach us with issues in the future if they've met us in their home. That's a huge positive for us.

We chat about anything and everything on the home visit. We check they're ok for uniform and talk about the importance of naming it (most children love to proudly show it to us!), we discuss PE days and book changing days, how early reading works, how to order dinners etc. It's not just about us asking them questions about their child and the family, it's a chance for them to ask us questions about starting school too so they feel as informed as possible.

The other reason I'm a fan of home visits is that it really does help us to build a picture of that family, their needs, and how we can best support them. It is not about judging, it's about understanding. Someone said it's not appropriate in current times, with people living in overcrowded homes etc. That makes it all the more important in my opinion. Schools need to know about the individual circumstances of our cohort and nothing helps us to understand a potential problem better than seeing it for ourselves. We are professional people who are there to support, not judge. It's much easier to know who may require a (consented) referral to our family worker team if we've witnessed their living conditions for ourselves. It's far easier to understand why little Johnny never reads at home, if we know that he's sharing a bed with his mum in his grandparents home, which also houses an Auntie, Uncle and 3 cousins and there's never any peace and quiet or a space to call his own. It's far easier to understand why little Sally always appears tired if you've seen for yourself that her 'bedroom' is actually the corner of the family sitting room in a home with teenagers who are up past 10pm every night. I have seen it all over the years (the above stories are of course fabricated examples loosely based on experience but that's doesn't even scratch the surface of some of the cases of poverty I've encountered in the very deprived area I work in). Teachers do need to know these things. Not because we're nosey, but because we can only offer the help and support families may need if we know about their personal circumstances.

There are of course safeguarding issues which also make home visits such a useful tool in building a picture of the needs of individual families. We are definitely not judging an untidy house, but if I do spot anything which indicates a child is not safe I am duty bound to report it to protect that child. I would be failing a child if I didn't report it. That's not judging, that's safeguarding. Health visitors work very much on the same principle. They're visiting your home first and foremost to help and support, but if they do spot a major safeguarding issue they have to report it. For the sake of children, thank goodness health and education professionals do visit family homes from time to time, otherwise far more children at risk of harm would slip through the net (with high profile examples of tragedies sadly being all the more common during the Covid years, where such visits were not routinely taking place).

Fortunately I've only had to raise concerns on a handful of occasions over the years but I'm talking serious stuff here (obvious drug or alcohol abuse, smashed windows/unsecure doors/broken glass etc).

Promise me when I say, if you have nothing serious to hide you have nothing to worry about with regards to a home visit. I would be ashamed of any colleague/fellow professional if I felt they were judging families based on often unavoidable circumstances relating to financial hardship, poor mental health etc. We do want to support our families as best as we can though, so seeing our pupil's living conditions for ourselves is really important in helping us do so.

Sux2buthen · 07/09/2023 07:09

Not only that, teachers and school staff are far too busy to be interested in coming to your house to be nosey. Funnily enough schools aren't funded for that either.
It's a positive experience for children and yes, potentially highlights circumstances like the fictional man in the OP being obstructive for no reason

Parker231 · 07/09/2023 07:16

@BoleynMemories13 - we turned down the visit as the appointment was during the working day when DH and i would be at work and DT’s in nursery. When do you do your visits as surely you should be in school teaching?

DontMakeMeShushYou · 07/09/2023 10:47

Parker231 · 07/09/2023 07:16

@BoleynMemories13 - we turned down the visit as the appointment was during the working day when DH and i would be at work and DT’s in nursery. When do you do your visits as surely you should be in school teaching?

In the case of my children, 15+ years ago, the visits were arranged in the first week or so of September along with a couple of settling-in sessions in school. The reception children actually started properly at school part-way through September so the reception teachers weren't teaching classes at that point.

Auk1 · 07/09/2023 10:54

Home visits would actually be fine by me. When my son was in year 2 his teacher came to visit him when he had chicken pox. There was a short end of year test he wanted my son to complete so that he didn't miss out. My son was very excited about his teacher visiting.
Not quite sure why you have referred my ‘obstructive’ neighbour as being fictional. I contacted the school this morning because we are extremely concerned for the mum and boys.

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Parker231 · 07/09/2023 11:44

DontMakeMeShushYou · 07/09/2023 10:47

In the case of my children, 15+ years ago, the visits were arranged in the first week or so of September along with a couple of settling-in sessions in school. The reception children actually started properly at school part-way through September so the reception teachers weren't teaching classes at that point.

DT’s school wanted everyone to start on a staggered basis - we notified the school that DT’s would be starting full time from day one (legal right) Staggered starts don’t work with two full time working parents.

DontMakeMeShushYou · 07/09/2023 11:51

Parker231 · 07/09/2023 11:44

DT’s school wanted everyone to start on a staggered basis - we notified the school that DT’s would be starting full time from day one (legal right) Staggered starts don’t work with two full time working parents.

Ah, they worked fine with us both working full-time but everyone is different.